UK Film Club 011 - Napoleon - Wonka - Ferrari - One Life - Saltburn

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ukfilmreview
I wasn't sure if we were going to make it I thought you know it's it's a new year and I yeah I've not spoken to you since you know beginning December I thought anything could have happened to you since anything you could have been stolen. You could have been. Yeah.

00:02.68
Brian Penn
Oh. And know who know and anything's possible isn't it I ah like to think I'm in demand in one way or another but you know we live in Hyton ah, um, no awesome.

00:18.63
ukfilmreview
And that's why people would steal you Yeah I think yeah, you've got one of those personalities you've got that beautiful brain people are going to want to steal. You aren't yeah yeah I'm full of compliments.

00:26.92
Brian Penn
Oh thank you for that. Thank you for that Chris ah, that's a lovely way to start? The show isn't it really and I like that that can carry on I've got no problems with that. So um, we're we're nearly a year old aren't we as well. We're. We're approaching our first year film club aren't we we.

00:45.31
ukfilmreview
Yeah I mean this is our eleventh in the kind of series episodes. Ah but it's about a thirteenth. But yeah, so we we're coming up on on on the annual um, very exciting I didn't think we'd get this far because you know I have a yeah.

00:55.50
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah. But I see a stick totness problem you you mean you just kind of let things go you get bored with them is that it.

01:02.66
ukfilmreview
Ah, stick to it in this problem I think sometimes I think well that's a good idea. yeah yeah I mean do you know I I played guitar and the only reason I've still played I I started when I was 13 was because.

01:14.31
Brian Penn
And.

01:18.93
ukfilmreview
My mom and dad bought me this guitar from Cash Converters going way back and we were on the way home and my my mom had a big big music fans and they said oh that's another thing that I'll end up under the bed you know because it was I'd done basketball I'd done cricket I'd done footboard and everything but I was like you know I'm going to show you and here we are you know.

01:21.23
Brian Penn
All right.

01:33.98
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

01:38.73
ukfilmreview
Thirty Twenty years later I'm still playing just just just a show of.

01:39.43
Brian Penn
Yeah, well yeah, and I just approve a point that it wasn't totally wasted. Well, that's that's the main thing I'm sure they're thrilled as well.

01:49.72
ukfilmreview
Oh yeah, well I mean that yeah, that's that's up for debate but we'll we'll see rather um, but we are back. This is your first time with UKFilm club you are of course very welcome. We are the kind of show that just loves.

01:51.96
Brian Penn
Yeah, but yeah.

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Brian Penn
So.

02:05.46
Brian Penn
Me Know inna.

02:06.57
ukfilmreview
Movies and if if that isn't your bag if you don't like films I mean you can hang around but it might get boring. Um, but that's true I mean Brian's beautiful brain

02:15.51
Brian Penn
But wait you you might change your mind. You never know give it 5 minutes yeah um yeah absolutely

02:21.97
ukfilmreview
That's a nice little phrase might convince you that you you want to go and start loving film because he's got some absolute caucus to review on this episode. Um, but yeah, what we do is you review a bunch of films that are at the cinema Brian largely takes care of that then we do a film that has been on streaming that's fairly new. Then we' do some indie films first these are films that have been sent to us to review and then we review our nostalgiastalgia pick which is a film from the past that we just like to travel back and and enjoy cue the harp music I don't have any heart music but cue it anyway. Cue it anyway.

02:49.18
Brian Penn
So I I night I I work on that for next time. Yeah, yeah, let's get some help fire even better even bestler. Even best son? yeah.

02:59.87
ukfilmreview
Yeah, um, well know I'm gonna do it properly I'm gonna buy an actual harp I'm gonna learn the harp I'm gonna sit here here. Have it behind me. Um, yeah, and also in this episode you will be treated to a little snippet of an interview that I did with the filmmakers of a short film. We reviewed last year the 1 note man.

03:08.22
Brian Penn
Yeah, ah.

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Brian Penn
So.

03:16.72
Brian Penn
And and it sounds simple.

03:19.64
ukfilmreview
That's coming up later. Um, but first let's go franc a shall we should we head frace um, real signal. Ah Ridley Scotts Napoleon take it away Brian.

03:25.72
Brian Penn
Oh like glad that's a little signal. You give me there. Ask the where to start? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, so yeah, Napoleon directsed by Ridley Scott starring Whaquien Phoenix Vanessa Kirby and Rupert Everett now Chris were you a fan of history at school. Yeah I know yeah I loved history as well. The thing is if you're a history buff. You might be a wee bit disappointed with this film Soaling Bonaparte military commander emperor of France a major historical figure I think we can agree on that.

03:46.11
ukfilmreview
I was later in life. Why mean I got to sort of 6 form. Yeah.

04:05.10
Brian Penn
Fair to say it concentrates more on his relationship with Josephine debonets. There is coverage given to major battles and campaigns the siege of tulon a still itz borodino and of course Wal Selu but not it doesn't focus that much on military campaigns. They widen the appeal by concentrating on Napoleon and Josephine ah, but some might question the accuracy in historical terms. Yes, there is some license taken here, but it is trying to summarize the last thirty years of his life. Overall really Scott has done a pretty damn good job here. The battle scenes are excellent. The pacing 1 thing about really scotty knows has a pace of film properly and that's so important when you're summarizing multiple events I think it's great, fun to watch visually, it's stunning and you get to see more about the human side of Napoleon yes, he was. He was cold and he was arrogant but you see him as he was and not so much as to the um, the power games that he played you know so this one came out in November it's still running ah but it will be streaming but quite soon I start so. As we always say don't we get out and see it if you can on the big screen because nothing beats a film on the big screen but no great, fun, thoroughly recommended but see it why you can yeah close. Yeah yeah.

05:28.90
ukfilmreview
Because he's just known for these big films right? I mean you look at his filmography and Ridley Scott is just he's it's got be a top tier top 5 director for a lot of people I ah so many fantastic movies and it's.

05:38.46
Brian Penn
Well yeah I mean they they? Yeah yeah.

05:46.54
ukfilmreview
It's incredible when you see people still creating films on on such a scale. This is a 2 hour 40 biopic you know hitting the cinemas is it.

05:54.83
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

05:59.62
ukfilmreview
When it comes to biopics. There is definitely a a leniency when it comes to the running time because you kind of go jit out. Yeah, we we understand you got a lot to fit in through yeah up to 3 hours is kind of okay, um, is that you said the pay scenes great. You know there's no do you feel? Maybe it needs to be longer.

06:05.88
Brian Penn
So yeah, of course. Yeah.

06:15.76
Brian Penn
And no I don't think it does I think it's about right? You know you you could you could split Napoleon's life into 3 or four films you could make 2 or 3 sequels from from Napoleon so and let's not forget. There was one film dedicated to to just walcelu. And that's just one part of his life. So I think the the film the the running length was about right? this time I think it was and you didn't feel. There was undue attention given to 1 ministry campaign more than and another. So I think the the pace and the balance and the rhythm of the story. Really good but you had that there was a stronger focus on these relationships or more more precisely his relationship with with Josephine and as I say that's broaden its appeal. It's going to make that film more attractive to a wider audience which is what filmmaking is all about so you don't want it to be. 1 just for for history buffs who just want to see ah a sequence of battles and confrontations as much fun as that is you want to see some light and some shade so you've got ah you've got ah elements of the battlefield and the bedroom you know it's a nice balance between the 2.

07:27.12
ukfilmreview
I Love it that should be on the poster balance between the battlefield and the bedroom you yeah not without the part you should do this? Yeah professionally What about.

07:29.81
Brian Penn
I Ah know on I yeah and I it's a good line though I should have been a copywriter shouldn't I Really I yeah know I know and know and know one day who knows walking.

07:42.75
ukfilmreview
What about Phoenix um, waing phoenix what's his performance like.

07:46.87
Brian Penn
very good very convincing Rod Steiger is probably the the reference point for anyone playing playing Napoleon and a few actors have played him over the years but he seems to have captured the mannerisms how you imagined him to be you know i've. When I was at school I studied the diploma learning wars you studied the the carrots to the person as much as you do the campaigns and the politics of it all, but it it seems real It seems to come across as real and believable. Not too much of a caricature I think it's very easy. To go into caricature with someone like Napoleon you know the little culporal. It's so it's very easy to send the character up. Um, but I don't think he does that I think he plays it right? There's that degree of coldness and cool calculation about Napoleon that you always imagined. He would be so when you read about. And historical figure you try and marry it up as as to how you would look on the screen Waqui Phoenix has done has done pretty good there I think I think it's a good reading of of Napole stuff.

08:54.30
ukfilmreview
There you go as Brian said still in cinemas but probably not for that long. Um, but one I will be catching on streaming for sure for sure. Um, well from 1 interesting character to another. We're going to. Paul King's version of 1 car starring Timothy Shalama um what about this I mean well just straight off about I am a massive fan of the Gene Wilder version um yeah big big fan of that wasn't that bothered with the timber and.

09:12.44
Brian Penn
Oh one? Yeah yes, oh. But the oh right? and simy 1 Yeah yeah, sure found? Yeah, no, no.

09:30.94
ukfilmreview
One I thought that was kind of a bit me so I am very intrigued to hear where this sits ah good.

09:35.40
Brian Penn
Yeah, this is good this this really impressed me as you say director by Paul King who also directed paddington so you feel that he's coming from the right perspective and has's got the right backgrounds to make a film like this and.

09:46.28
ukfilmreview
Ah.

09:49.49
ukfilmreview
Nice caliber. Yeah.

09:52.38
Brian Penn
Yeah, exactly. That's the word I was looking for Thank you Chris ah, starring Timothy Chammala callolaine live Coleman Patterson Joseph and some very nice cameos that you need to look out for so this is the role do classic rebooted and refreshed Willy Wonka's dreams of becoming a chocolate seaer. But comes up against Mrs Scrubbettt who offers him a bed for the night however he signs a contract that condemns him into a life of drudgery and death in a dark and grimy laundry tos with noodle and abagus crunch with the help of his new friends. He develops a recipe that quickly alerts a local cartel of chocolateeers. Carteler by sagworth is determined to stop him and enlist the help of the local constabulary. He's also dogged by a troubleblesome Umallupa concerning some stolen cocoa beans with new songs written by Neil Hannnaon from the divine comedy and brilliant special effects. This is a must see film. I absolutely love this It seems to take you know I would say I would say it's much more ging wild than it is Johnny Depp if I'm put it that way it leans more towards the 71 film more than the 2005 film I really like the new songs. Ah I've been written for for the film. You still got um.

10:56.29
ukfilmreview
Ah, ah, good.

11:07.36
Brian Penn
Pure imagination in there which is like the the call sign for Woy Wonka but fantastic are absolutely aored it but special effects aren't overpowering for a change. They seem to enhance the film. Although they there is a reliance on special effects because of what the story is about Hugh Grant as ah. The um lum part technically absolutely brilliant I mean how on earth do they reduce him to someone who's one twelve inches tall and it's it's amazing. It's a joy to watch it really is and you know you would you would say it's difficult to to. Improve on the originals. It's not a sequel. It's a remake isn't it and where remakes are concerned this does more than the job is's really good. so so good this came out a week before Christmas and it's still running a lovely film and it just invokes your childhood because. Don't know about you when I was a kid growing up books by old dol were always somewhere air lyinging around that I'd be reading. It's like a ri passage. It's the the sort of stories you read James and the giant peach great stories but fantastic true to the story true to the original intention of the story as well.

12:14.50
ukfilmreview
E.

12:23.13
ukfilmreview
I think there's also this kind of question a lot of times about remakes and reboots and things like that where a story like this. That's so iconic it deserves remaking even though the Gene Wilder one is fabulous. Um, and.

12:23.57
Brian Penn
Brilliant. Dr.

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Brian Penn
I.

12:40.96
ukfilmreview
The Timberton one has its place I think it's a bit too dark for me. But yeah rolldar was kind of dark um that to you for an audience to grow up and not have their version of it I think is kind of a shame and also yeah it being a Pg it's it's saying that you know what? yeah we are aiming at this generation of.

12:44.32
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:51.58
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

12:58.72
Brian Penn
Yeah, oh Wow yeah.

13:00.92
ukfilmreview
Ah, families and children My my oldest is currently reading the Ro doll version. Um, and I think it's it's got that timelessness to it that it's this is absolutely fine to remake because it's funny as having a conversation with my wife about the um.

13:16.92
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

13:16.99
ukfilmreview
Whole point of reboots and why we why we do it is because because you've got like an inbuilt fan base. You know, normally that's why they do it's because they know it's not it's not risky they know someone's going to turn up and watch it. But with Wonka it's that's not the case you know it's not like the fans of the Gene Wilder one are going to suddenly flock to see this one. It's more like oh okay, actually.

13:32.97
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

13:36.33
ukfilmreview
You're going to release it to a new set of eyes. Albeit yeah obviously some people will go see it who've seen all of them. But I think it's absolutely it's cherishable isn't it this kind of film is is that sort of you. You're going to want to put that on your list of films to see for the year and fabulous.

13:50.41
Brian Penn
Yeah, absolutely there This sense of sort of is purity and simplicity that that's what childhood is and it just takes you back. It does take you back. But of course kids growing up now as you say they will own this film you and I would probably own the the jing von wilder version more.

14:06.42
ukfilmreview
There.

14:08.99
Brian Penn
Because we we identify with without version more closely. Songs are slightly different as you know I'm always very keen on on what when they add new songs to the soundtrack. What they do with the existing songs and you know I've got no complaints and I think Neil had getting Neil Hannnaon from the duan comedy to write songs. For the soundtrack was also inspired because he has that kind of degree of whimsy about him with the divine comedy that his type of song would fit very well for the film so you know it's it's it's fine with me I eight six order boxes can't go wrong. Really.

14:46.15
ukfilmreview
Ticks all the boxes put that on the poster. Although it's bit late now. It's already up well for our next film we're zooming across ah is you out. Ah Michael man's ferrari.

14:47.29
Brian Penn
Yeah there's another one. There's another one? yeah. Oh I see what you did there? Yeah yeah, yes, so well look when you got Michael Mann at the helm you you kind of know what to expect? Don't you because this is the man who gave us heat. E directed the Miami vice Tv series. So you know what you're going to get right and he doesn't disappoint. It stars Adam Driver Panumoppi Cruise Shane Woodock Woodley this is the story of enzo ferrari founder of the legendary motor racing team. It's 1957 and captures him at a pivotal moment in his life. Although they have an advanced formula 1 car in development. The company are struggling and they desperately seek investment. The team will compete in the mileilia a famous endurance race that can make or break them if that's not enough. He's a strange wife Laura owns half the company. And is standing in the way of a deal beinger ma his mistress leaner is also pressing enzo so formally recognize their son piera so there's a lot going on. He's a busy lad isn't he all, right's it's a cracking good good yarness. Absolutely brilliant lot this its typical cool Michael Mur film was to say um.

15:59.89
ukfilmreview
Ah.

16:07.95
Brian Penn
Pace is really good again I think he he appreciates um the approach that Ridy Scott has to films pacing's excellent. Gets it just about right? It's not too slow. Let's see fast. You know the action sequences are ah brilliant as well. You can almost fill the rubber burning. It just feels so real. Um, it's it's bright and it's glamorous as you'd expect from ferrari that name ferrari conjures up glamour luxury wealth doesn't it. It just has that kind of shine bounce it and that's what Michael Manz brought to the screen right. Very very good film again. very very good yeah, yeah, yeah and

16:46.60
ukfilmreview
Ah, and as ah as a genre right? So like racing and race cars that it's it's interesting. How many good films there are in that it's kind of like boxing you sort of thing. Why is why is it that this particular. Sport seem. Yeah, we don't get loads of amazing badminton films do I mean it's not not yet, not yet anyway, yeah, get Michael man on that. But I think obviously because of the nature of it. You know it's kind of like a blood sport in some ways. Yeah in terms of the amount of like danger and risk and things going on and also like you said about the.

17:04.68
Brian Penn
No strange I Ah it's funny I was just say give it sign give it like yeah.

17:12.67
Brian Penn
Yeah, absolutely yeah yeah.

17:19.90
ukfilmreview
Ah, the lifestyles and the all the stuff going on behind the cars I think that's the the the key here. Um and is this kind of up there with those great racing films Would you say.

17:32.47
Brian Penn
I would say it is I mean if you if you look at a film like grand Prie um, going back to the sixty s now but it but it has that same intensity it works I mean let's compare it to a more.

17:41.58
ukfilmreview
And.

17:46.41
Brian Penn
More recent most racing film rush about James Sunon yeah yeah I mean it compares very well. But in some ways I prefer Ferrari because of because it's ah because of the period that it's concerned with the 1950 s

17:47.33
ukfilmreview
I Loved Rush I was hoping you're going to say rush. Yeah.

18:03.98
Brian Penn
Is a very sort of romantic evocative era I think the 50 s and the sixty s have something about them and so it just kind of edges it because the the design in the 50 s to sixty s was more. It was stylish. It was all about style back then as you say lifestyle. Still the case now in motor racing. It is that kind of activity isn that that it does attract glamour it attracts the Maverick doesn't it because of the nature of what they do and it's also true. You know it's also essentially a true story and it keeps broadly to to what happened you know. Inject a bit a bit of life into here and there but you know it's good stuff again came out on boxing day. Let's just remind listeners came out in boxing day and it will also be streaming very shortly so this film as much if not more than Napoleon you should see on a big screen because. Because of the action sequences because of the racing sequence sequences because there's something naturally very dramatic about motor racing you know and from a director's point of view. It's pretty easy to film isn't it. You know it's it's not it's it's not difficult to make you look good. Let's put it that way particularly with the sort of engines you're looking at. As well from the.

19:20.46
ukfilmreview
I remember watching rush because I saw it ah previousview skiing screening at the dolby the Dolby studios and you can imagine the sound system at the Dolby studios. My.

19:24.10
Brian Penn
I All right? Okay, yeah I'll be.

19:32.38
ukfilmreview
I Remember feeling that film more than I remember watching it I remember just coming away kind of still vibrating like from the movie and it sounds like this is that kind of experience that you want to feel that.

19:36.58
Brian Penn
It? Yeah, But yeah, you dont but yeah, it is that That's a good way of describing it you you do feel it reverberating you know and it it stays it stays with you but that's that's what a director is trying to do you know if a director can. You and I talking about a film in those terms they could say job done. That's what they're trying to do. They're trying to make they're trying to put you in the driving suit they're trying to put you next to the driver I'm like that's what they're trying to do and they do it. Well, they've done it Well here really have.

20:10.84
ukfilmreview
Good Ferrari Check it out. Let's know what you think as well on the old socials at Uk Film review pretty much wherever you you go? Um, we are going to.

20:13.70
Brian Penn
And. Yeah, yeah.

20:23.32
ukfilmreview
James has is a new film 1 life starring Anthony Hopkins

20:26.29
Brian Penn
Yes, 1 life stars Anthony Hopkins Johnny Flynn Helena Bonham Carter ramala garai the film of a month for me and there's a yeah, there's a pretty wide choice here that I'll be I'll be honest with you because they're all great.

20:38.10
ukfilmreview
Oh.

20:45.80
Brian Penn
But the the four films that we've locked out and John release here are all excellent and they're all worth goinging out to the cinema to watch. Yeah, but it could be yeah I guess so it's the right time because they're catching the golden globes aren't they in the oscars nominations have just been out.

20:50.25
ukfilmreview
Is it is it because it's award season. Do you think is that typically what happens in this bit.

21:03.28
Brian Penn
It's kind of they've timed it right in that way haven't I know let's let's put it that way. But yeah for me the film of the month and as to say it I mean set again stiff competition the films we've just been talking about. You know that's a pretty bold statement isn't it I guess this is the story of Nicholas Winton our very own Oscar Schindler

21:17.51
ukfilmreview
Definitely.

21:22.86
Brian Penn
Organize the rescue of mainly jewish children from the czech republic just as war was breaking out stories told in flashback Johnny Flynn plays Winston as a young man while stantoni hopkins plays him in lay years. It's it's shocking and it's inspiring. Amazing man who had real humility in spite of these achievements. He still felt he should have done more It's a fabulous film. You know you just you know when you watch a film. You get totally immersed in it. It's that kind of film. You really get lost. You know the tagline for some for. Movies today. get lost in a great film. you do exactly that here you get lost in a great film what I think is quite clever. What James Hors has done with the the storyline the narrative he split it into 2 sections past and present but present of courses in the late 80 s past is in 9038 or 9039. But even though those 2 stories quite easily stand alone. They're kind of they're they're interlins obviously but there's standalone stories within one narrative if that makes sense but it works really well. And it's it's disturbing. It's harrowing what is quite clever about it is that we know it's that you know I was going to say it's a holocaust film but it's not really about the holocaust. It's something that preceded the holocaust and tried to combat the effects of nazi ideology Nazi doctrine.

22:53.20
Brian Penn
So It's kind of came before but all those things that you think of about films being thought provoking inspiring heartwarming. You know it's the best of human nature coming out here and also the worst when you look at the way refugees were being treated just before. The invasion of the Czech Republic happens so you see the best and the worst of human nature and so to me. Yeah.

23:17.64
ukfilmreview
It's fascinating that stories are still coming out as well like you know terms of you. We talked earlier about Napoleon and you could make so many films about that one man and that yeah that Waterloo had just like one film and there's probably more films that could be done that we're still getting.

23:22.52
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah.

23:34.38
ukfilmreview
So much out of World War two and a conflict That's not that old but we're still getting so much and I think there's this um sense that it's still so rooted in who we are and and and where we find ourselves in the world right now.

23:38.27
Brian Penn
So yeah, and.

23:49.30
Brian Penn
No okay.

23:54.60
ukfilmreview
I think it's still so applicable as well and I think it's great that they're championing these these stories. Yeah for you to make it film of the month. It must have been pretty good. You know up against Napoleon you think.

24:00.12
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, I Yeah I know. But yeah, yeah, yeah, ah it's It's an amazing film. But I mean what you just mentioned there about you know.

24:07.59
ukfilmreview
It's it must be very good I think it's It's great to shine a light on something like this because it feels like it needs to be seen.

24:19.00
Brian Penn
Sources ah of filmmaking source material. You would have thought of one sign that world war two would have been exhausted as ah, a genre a topic but there's always a new story to tell there are stories out there that haven't been told there are stories that have been told and been forgotten or not made into a film. So. There's so much out there. We can still make and you know as sadly world war ii begins to slip from living memory which it inevitably will as the years years roll by and that's the saddest thing isn't it that it will slip from living memory but it makes it even more important to shine a light on. Stories that we might not be familiar with and that there is some aspects of the second world war that we still haven't examined or explored There's always something new there you know and this you know this precipitates precipitate war because it was just before. The germans in invaded the czech republic and invaded Poland so it's just as war was breaking out so that's before the war started. You could say just as it was starting so there is so much there to look at. It's a rich source material war. Sadly. Wars will always be with us but it it gives filmmakers a rich source of material I think we would have to admit that won't we yeah.

25:37.46
ukfilmreview
Absolutely and that's um, this Brian's pick of the month and it's the final film that we're reviewing in the cinema section. It's called one life. So if you're listening to this as of when it's released or nearby then it may still be in cinemas I so please go see it. But if not.

25:43.84
Brian Penn
And.

25:54.64
Brian Penn
And yes.

25:55.40
ukfilmreview
Then maybe you're listening in the future. Um, and check it out wherever you can I'm sure it's going to be on one of the big streaming platforms. We are now going to our streaming pick actually for the month so this is where I review a film that has been on a um streaming platform. And available to people this month is on an Amazon prime movie called Salt Burn um written and directed by Emerald Fennel who we reviewed her from promising young woman didn't we remember that a while back we did a Carey Mulligan special

26:19.00
Brian Penn
So.

26:27.80
Brian Penn
Yes, but yeah Carry Mulligan. Yeah yeah, she does. Yeah.

26:32.74
ukfilmreview
Who actually makes a little appearance in this. Um, and yeah, it was interesting when I saw this popping up on social media was a lot of talk about it. It's still kind of doing the rounds a lot of people. Um, there's a lot of memes and there's a lot of ah chatter. Um, so.

26:41.91
Brian Penn
I Yeah the wrong? yeah.

26:50.73
ukfilmreview
The story is your character playback Barry Keegan um his names Oliver goes to Oxford University but he's quite um, isolated he comes from a fairly modest background and.

27:03.90
Brian Penn
Million.

27:06.48
ukfilmreview
The people that he seems to surround yeah find himself amongst are knocked from modest backgrounds and essentially struggles to fit in um ascent then he befriends ah through an act of kindness. Um a well off character called felix played by Jacob Bloody

27:09.42
Brian Penn
Be.

27:26.50
ukfilmreview
And from there their friendship kind of grows and blossoms and Oliver finds himself ingratiated into the world of felix um, and the title of the film saltburn refers to this huge manner that felix lives at and um, are.

27:41.91
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

27:45.94
ukfilmreview
Protagonist all of it comes to stay and all manner of things kind of go on from there. It's a very hard film to describe without giving those of really cool stuff away. So I'm gonna leave it there. Um, the detail will also say is that Richard e grant is in this film and any film of Richard d grant is always always always worth your time I'm sorry just that is a rule.

27:51.82
Brian Penn
Yeah I know I know this is it? Yeah yeah.

28:02.22
Brian Penn
That Yeah, that's the rule you know I know it's what it is I Yeah yeah and I I likes it and like say I.

28:05.72
ukfilmreview
And I did I don't make up the rules that is a rule um and also like so he plays felix his dad and then rosmond pike plays his mom and just the 2 of them I could just watch them forever. Um, what do you think a assault burn Brian it's good wasn't it. Yeah.

28:22.40
Brian Penn
Yeah, it was good I preferred this to promising your moon now we we know Emerald Fennel is only a second film. She co-write and directed killing eve. That's that's the Cb series. But so she doesn't have much of a repertoire to sort of compare films together. But I would have to so that be the first thing I say is that. Ah, think it's better than promising a woman as good as that was I prefer this more. It's more dynamic you know and it's it's unexpected Chris you know, just when you think you got the film sussed out and you know where it's going it kind of smacks you in the face this film and you think oh right? Okay, and.

28:46.50
ukfilmreview
Yeah, yeah.

29:01.72
Brian Penn
It's it's not what you expect? That's all, but if the first half of the film films like a fairly typical ah story of wealth privilege envy to fish out of water. You know, um Ollie the the working class kit from Liverpool is me. Goes down to Oxford and he's befriended by the the college pin-up boy felix who happens to be stinking filthy rich or from a stinking filthy rich family who just happened to um, have a castle knocking around so on that basis she think ah can I know where this is going but it.

29:28.80
ukfilmreview
Okay, okay.

29:40.32
Brian Penn
Ah, like films that genuinely surprise you and I was surprised by this because it it didn't it didn't go the way I thought it was going to go so and I like that I like to be surprised by a film and Emeril fennel you know here I can see she's got real ability. You know the way she can capture a mood. And atmosphere. You know that sense of discomfort that ollli feels being in the company of people that live in a different world literally and how he gradually becomes accustomed to that world surely so I I thought it was really really good I like the. Great cast rosalmond cly and richardly grant. They they so look and sound like a married couple. Don't they you know do that kind of rap all they've got straight away Kerry Malligans Cameo was really good and the 2 leading as Jacoblaudie and baryan oh very good.

30:24.00
ukfilmreview
Here.

30:38.86
Brian Penn
Utterly convincing. Um, yeah, it's a very good film I'm surprised that it went straight to Netflix as well. A prime a beck you pardon? yeah.

30:44.87
ukfilmreview
Prime was Ams and prime. Yeah no I know but you're right it it did it felt kind of cinema worthy. But I think it you probably already touched on this in terms of its emeril film's second film and whilst promising a woman was.

30:51.98
Brian Penn
Yeah.

31:03.45
ukfilmreview
Very kind of critically acclaimed that I don't know about the the figures of that but she is still fairly untested. You know in terms of box office returns. So and and because of the way that the movie business is going I don't think it's that uncommon now for films to end up straight on um, a platform like.

31:03.46
Brian Penn
And. And yeah, yeah.

31:21.26
ukfilmreview
Prime because I think they probably go in and say look you make us a film here's a bunch of money and great. You're going to go do it and 100% agree with you I think this is a stronger film than promising a woman which I love I thought it was a great film I think with that movie it was it was very um, ah was the words kind of.

31:22.80
Brian Penn
So yeah.

31:31.60
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

31:40.76
Brian Penn
So yeah, yeah, measures measured. Yeah, no yeah.

31:41.71
ukfilmreview
Frenetic. There was so much energy in that film that it it felt with this with Salt Burn it feels a lot more controlled. It seems to be from a filmmaker. Yeah, it's more measured that she knows what she's doing here. Not that she didn't know what she's doing but she it feels more so here more controlled more kind of like she's really got us by the. The hook of our the napper vi na weather. She's she's got us really here under her thumb and we know that we are on this journey whether we like it or not and we're going to get to the end of this whereas I think with promising a woman. It was a bit more instant. There was a bit more kind of like you could sit back from that film. Um.

32:13.74
Brian Penn
Yeah, and.

32:18.94
ukfilmreview
I Think it's a film that does rely heavily on the cast as well. Great cast. But there's a lot of like eccentric characters and interesting people that really keeps the buzz going um because it's got that kind of gothic storyline behind it that.

32:21.89
Brian Penn
And. So yeah, so.

32:33.44
Brian Penn
So.

32:36.70
ukfilmreview
Could get lost if you didn't have the sort of light and fun side of it as well. Yeah, if it was sort if it was going more into that it it doesn't jump so deep into the dark stuff and the heavy stuff until it needs to that you you, It's an enjoyable film for the majority of it. Um, then there's bits that are kind of.

32:45.94
Brian Penn
And.

32:51.33
Brian Penn
And yeah, yeah, yeah, more alarming. Yeah yeah, ah I think we yeah I I I think we done really? Well, we're not giving anything away I think we've given them a pretty good overview.

32:56.42
ukfilmreview
More distressing shall we say um yeah, trying not to give anything away because I think definitely don't want to you don't want to know what happens until you see it? Yeah and we definitely recommend seeing it.

33:09.26
ukfilmreview
I Think so.

33:10.94
Brian Penn
With Emerald Fernwell I think what helps with this particular film I think she's relasing a world that she she was part of that she understands because she went to Oxford or she went to the one of the oxridge universities and I think she understands. Ah, ah these characters very well. Because you know look you sit down and write any any particular characters that it's going to be based on someone you know or someone you're familiar with and I think what makes this film stronger is that she is writing about not. Characters that she's actually met that people that are of a similar background and I think that makes the film stronger because they always say rice about what you know and I think there's an element here of that and that's what makes the film stronger because Emerald fenel is writing about things that she understands. So.

33:55.39
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

34:06.56
Brian Penn
And that helps helps a lot and.

34:07.98
ukfilmreview
Yeah I think you're right I felt that too when I was watching I was like this first off it felt like someone who enjoys literature like it felt like someone who knows literature and then someone that yeah who had experienced this life.

34:16.65
Brian Penn
Yeah I. And.

34:24.49
ukfilmreview
Some degree and wanted to make a kind of comment about it and there's a a lovely sort of deliciousness to it all because both sides of the coin are being sort of presented for you and not in any kind of way for us to sort of pass judgment and when things start to happen. You kind of go. Oh.

34:35.65
Brian Penn
And.

34:43.69
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, yes yeah.

34:44.33
ukfilmreview
Wow I didn't expect that So it's not like say it's not going in the direction. You think it's going, but it certainly has that founding of something that you feel familiar with um, but yeah I really enjoyed it I thought it was great. Um, it's kind of compulsive viewing that you're watching it. You kind of oh just ah I've definitely going to finish this I need to watch the rest of this I need to know what's going to happen.

35:00.22
Brian Penn
And I know yeah I know I know is is that kind of film it. It draws you in which is what a film is supposed to do. It's to make you curious. You know the I always say the first half an hour of a film is vital because that hooks you in draws you in.

35:03.70
ukfilmreview
Um.

35:17.00
Brian Penn
Introduce you to the main characters. You think oh that's interesting I've got I've got to stick with this and that's what filmmaking is about really is making you curious.

35:28.70
ukfilmreview
Go so Salt Burn um check out on Amazon prime let us know what you thought that's our streaming pick for the month and now we're going to head to our indie film. So these are films that filmmakers have sent to us to have reviewed. And we're going to start with a feature length I'm gonna play a little clip. Hopefully it's gonna work Brian let me know if you don't hear this um little clip from the fez belcher show.

35:48.90
Brian Penn
Arguments.

36:17.19
Brian Penn
I.

36:57.40
ukfilmreview
So written and directed by Lindsley Farley did you want to give the synopsis on this one Brian.

37:04.70
Brian Penn
Yeah, sure so we have the story of how a pank rocker became a legend first beler shares a home with a verent triloquist and parttime detective a lawyer's daughter and a marshall heart arts expert. He's first then only hit album was blizzard of pain. He's now looking to relaunch his recording career. He has 200 new songs and this film follows these exploits to get an album made play live and secure proper representation but it doesn't run smooth does it. Let's let's say that much great fun. Absolutely. Great for brilliant fun that clip. We just heard I think was one of the funniest moments in the film because for fez, it's about recognition isn't it. It's about people remembering who he was and what he did and there he's come up against someone who he thought was his biggest fan. He was trying to deny. You ever was a fo I don't remember man. Yeah um was a long time ago. There's your girlfriend I well you know I love that a lot that kind of that refuses to admit, he was a fan because obviously um, first knows it's him but he he's left it behind now. He doesn't want to remember what's. What's passed by and he's like and straight after that I a real fan. An actual fan turns up and he ignores them because he's still more concerned about his other guy who won't remember I just like that kind of screwba whack and slightly wacky, almost desperate need to be to be recognized by someone you write yourself. But.

38:36.57
Brian Penn
Just kind of overlooks the real phones that are just behind him. Um I like that I I think it I think it was really really good. Um, likable characters I was really impressed by the casting as Well. I mean what I but often fill with with indie films is that. They will often get somebody off the street to play a role. Not I think I would say there's anything wrong with that. So I Love the sponsoronity of it but all the actors are really solid. They're really convincing in the role like until they've done it before and I think that's a big help for me.. The only downside. Was the the running length of the film now I know often go on it about the ah running length of a film but excuse me a moment.

39:24.51
ukfilmreview
Ah, just ah, fill in while Brian Coughs his guts up because it's very important that he can do that in peace.

39:29.95
Brian Penn
Oh sorry about that. Oh you know you know when ah a cough just sprays and you try and swallow it and it anyway do you want to leave a gap there.

39:36.66
ukfilmreview
Now now I think yeah, we're talking about screwable comedy and it's rough and ready I think I think the listeners need to hear you cough.

39:42.39
Brian Penn
Yeah I guess I'm glad I'm glad of that sorry listeners. Um, yeah I think look I was talking about the running like running length of the film now I often mention it I know and I hate to be tisome about this. But I think it's essential to the viewing experience. This film was just run up just over 2 hours I think that's a bit long for a film like this I think it would have filled 90 minutes perfectly but that extra half an hour you know the longer a film goes on the more we should expect from the film which it should give us a bit more but I don't think that extra half an hour really took it for any further personally but otherwise really good. Really enjoyed it. Okay.

40:28.50
ukfilmreview
Yeah I think you're right? Um, in terms of the cast still sort of knew the assignment I like that I really enjoyed the the use of locations. Um, there was there was a lot of locations and I always find that really ambitious within the filmmakers to sort of say do you know? what? like we're gonna.

40:35.11
Brian Penn
So.

40:44.38
ukfilmreview
Going to go out and about and shoot all these different scenes. All these different places and I really felt like I got to see New York like that was great I was kind of just enjoying to see all these different random places um off the beaten track kind of thing. Um I think the the premise of the film.

40:45.83
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah I did I Yeah yeah.

41:01.86
ukfilmreview
Worked really well I was very happy with like the the Fez belcher rock and roll star. Yeah, who's kind of struggling in life I was really on board but that I don't want to give it away but something happens later in the film that absolutely derails the whole thing for me and and I'm not going to you know what? I mean I'm not I'm not and.

41:14.42
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah I know you mean I know you mean? Yeah yeah.

41:20.73
ukfilmreview
That also ties into the running length because it didn't need to happen. But I think that was a complete misstep because I was I was watching the rest of it just going. Okay like all right fine I was I was pretty invested but now I'm not so much. Um, that plus there weren't It wasn't the best.

41:28.18
Brian Penn
I'm you know there? yeah.

41:40.23
ukfilmreview
Quality film in terms of like the sound and stuff that was some issues with the sound quality that I think when you are making a film you have to think about the the resources and what you've got to put on a film. That's not going to you really really stretch you so thin that it starts to become kind of a problem that you had they.

41:40.87
Brian Penn
So yeah, we yeah.

41:48.24
Brian Penn
You know.

41:59.37
ukfilmreview
Gone for more of a yeah like you say a a one thirty kind of film could that budget have been you saved and put towards something else I don't know it just there's a few things there that um I think are lessons for the next film. You know is's like let you know what we' got make sure we make the film that is.

42:01.63
Brian Penn
So.

42:17.59
ukfilmreview
Gonna work. It's going to look great sound great because it's all very important but the story up to a certain point was very good. It's very interesting I Love the way all these characters just seem to be conning each other. They're all kind of like going. Oh you owe me money? No, you owe me money? Yeah, yeah, it's like.

42:26.86
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, and I yeah I know yeah.

42:33.26
ukfilmreview
All this little and I say is that screwable comedy feel of like yeah you're just thrown into these oddba characters and and you're making your way through and I've a great affinity for any character that's like a musician I really do that I felt some of his pain that you know I they go to a gig and he gets like $10 and he's like.

42:44.55
Brian Penn
Yeah, and yeah, but but yeah, that scene when they were trying to find their way back. They said oh the trains aren't running. We should have checked this and.

42:52.34
ukfilmreview
It cost me $15 to get here. It was just like yeah that kind of feel loved it.

43:01.33
ukfilmreview
Here? Yeah, it's a bit more kind of authentic I Think there's a lot of that's yeah authenticity to it? Um, but I do think slightly ambitious to make such a long film. It needed a much harsher edit.

43:02.80
Brian Penn
It's not very rock and roll was it really when you've missed the last train on. Um, yeah, yeah, it's real it. Yeah.

43:19.94
ukfilmreview
And I do think that they should have addressed some of the filmmaking qualities and where possible, especially a film that you're talking about a musician and that you're not recording the sound of the dialogue very well. Um, but yeah I.

43:22.94
Brian Penn
And.

43:30.13
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:36.46
ukfilmreview
I Feel like I'm being negative on it but I did enjoy it I really did enjoy it I Just there was a bit disappointed when something happens and I was like oh if that's sort of spoiled if we I think that's why I then started to pick up on the other things because I was like oh oh I'm not so into the storyline now that I'm sort of nitpicking if you see what I mean.

43:38.16
Brian Penn
And and I Yeah yeah. It Yep No I Know exactly what you mean it. It tends to highlight other other other areas of the film that you might not have thought about and so that's just the the way you you look at something isn't it. It kind of yeah opens up something up and you think oh no, that has yeah ah it it did kind of. Bring it down a bit but a great idea though. A great idea that works up to a point. Yeah.

44:17.29
ukfilmreview
A great performance by ah, Gregory Ada who plays the the lead character I thought he was great. Um, say a shout out to the to the filmmakers there if you haven't already go and read Jason's review um he reviewed it back in Jan Earlier Jan and yeah, um, he's got some great things to say about it as well. And on that review, you'll see the trailer and there's a trailer for it. So I definitely recommend checking out because that's something that you can then sort of see if it is to your taste and is to something that you want to seek out. Um, so that was the fez belcher show moving now to a short film.

44:36.59
Brian Penn
Click. No.

44:43.34
Brian Penn
So.

44:55.22
ukfilmreview
Called room twenty directed and written by Anthony react. Um, we have a clip this isn't a dialogue film. Ah, but the clip we've received gives you a nice sense of the film because it's the score it was from the trailer. Originally I think it's worth playing just to give you that.

45:00.10
Brian Penn
Oh no, oh right.

45:12.82
ukfilmreview
That sense and that vibe so here we go is a clip from room 20

45:50.78
ukfilmreview
So room 20 and Brian you actually reviewed this on the website I believe so I think it's best if you give us the synopsis on this one go for it.

45:57.56
Brian Penn
So I did yes yes I did yeah of course and it's it's a very lean 9 minutes 50 seconds but plas a fair amount of detail and with minimal dialogue as we've just mentioned so the hero of the piece is a man with no name but with design a stubble a poncch on a fedora hat. Gives off a distinctlin eastward vibe in spaghetti western though which got me hooked straight away I love that image that look he had so he begins a journey of self-discovery and steps through the door to room twenty we are treated to a visually arresting narrative that feels like the most vivid of dreams.

46:26.68
ukfilmreview
Here.

46:40.65
Brian Penn
The filmer opens with a lonely walk through a bleak landscape we shall be familiar to many people im sure we've all had a dream like that in the past with the emphasis on time our hero searches and finds room 20 but what is behind the door. The result is. Sometimes confusing but ultimately a fulfilling experience. Our hero is on a journey and he's constantly checking his watch. We have lots of great imagery that focuses on time and there's 1 particular thing that I think was brilliantly captured where a clock face just melts. It's beautiful. The way it's done. And room 20 throws all kinds of possibilities at the viewer who must draw their own conclusions really from this the style of animation is unashamedly nostalgy and doesn't seem to rely on cgi too much which is a pleasant change I really enjoyed it and a big shout out to not only sue the director and writer. But also to the animation director Aaron Mark Brown because this is my kind of animation. It's it's beautiful and it's it's real when it breathes more and it's not so clinical as we so often get with animation these things. But. very very good very impressed by it.

47:53.40
ukfilmreview
Yeah I loved in your review you mentioned about that kind of what audiences are used to now with animation like it becoming so clean like it's so high powered that it sort of becomes yeah clinical it does remove that emotional.

47:58.27
Brian Penn
Yeah stuff.

48:08.57
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

48:12.41
ukfilmreview
Connection I think which older animations still have that heart. They still have that feeling behind it. Not to say that modern animation isn't amazing and brilliant. It is it really is but there is such a place for this kind of nostalgic animation where it's.

48:15.94
Brian Penn
I No I not.

48:27.60
ukfilmreview
Pulling on stuff in a different way and it's presenting you the visuals in a way as well. That's a bit more. It's making your mind work a bit more because I think there's this tendency with animators to try and go for super realism so that it feels as real as possible whereas animation is.

48:32.23
Brian Penn
So.

48:39.59
Brian Penn
Yeah.

48:44.69
ukfilmreview
Its own art form that it's okay for it to be different. It's okay for it to not look exactly like the thing it's portraying in real life that with this? yeah, you really got that sense of you on this like Odyssey this journey because it was.

48:48.61
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

48:58.14
Brian Penn
And.

48:58.49
ukfilmreview
Doing that to your mind. It was giving these visuals in a way like this a bit where he's like feeding sort of giving water this like animal and it just felt ethereal. It felt like oh am I watching right now you you it created this calmness inside you and I thought it was very impressive.

49:03.91
Brian Penn
And yeah, and and know I Yeah yeah.

49:18.45
ukfilmreview
Visually very impressive and also I thought the story I was also once you start to consider it. It was quite powerful words Oh um, you contemplate all different aspects of life and different things. Yeah that you're you're kind of going to come across and yeah, really impressive.

49:22.67
Brian Penn
So Yeah, and I know yeah I know yeah I I surprisingly deep and and it's it's beautiful I mean what you just mentioned there about. Ah animation some animation being so good. It looks like the real thing doesn't that defeat the objects of animation. The idea of animation is is interpretational isn't it is to have a representation of a man a woman a child an animal.? Whatever but it's through that.

49:44.98
ukfilmreview
Yeah, yeah.

49:57.69
Brian Penn
Creative Person's lens. It's the way they see something or someone so that to me is proper animation. That's real animation and you know yeah top marks. It's really good. It's very well done and as to say it's my my kind of animation. Like to imagine someone poring over every frame. That's what I think I think about that when films being made in general but particularly so with animation because the creat the the creators the directors and the the writers are having to really use their imagination and they're having to try that much harder as a result. And that's what I really like about this. But.

50:37.87
ukfilmreview
Do you think this is the kind of film that you know we did the when we did the festival that it would have been you know a contender is that a sort of film that would have stood out to you that you would have picked out.

50:42.26
Brian Penn
Yeah.

50:48.93
Brian Penn
Yeah I think I would have picked it out I think it would stand out for the reasons we've just discussed because it's old fashioned you know and you know whilst we know modern technology in film. It can enhance and transform a story. But it can also detract from this story as Well. If you go back to something a bit more fundamental and a bit more basic that stands out. So if that had been in the ah been in the festival I would have picked that out easily. It would have stood out for me and it doesn't get.

51:21.39
ukfilmreview
Yeah, yeah.

51:24.18
Brian Penn
Get overly carried away with with dialogue either. There's not a lot of dialogues much dialogue to speak. Obviously really.

51:29.63
ukfilmreview
Yeah, and it kind of that sense makes it more. Um, Universal doesn't it I think it's like appeal with a film like this. They can really reach a lot of audiences and I could see yeah platforms picking this up because it's it's got that universality to it. Um, so.

51:32.83
Brian Penn
Yeah.

51:39.00
Brian Penn
Fuck. Yeah.

51:46.75
ukfilmreview
Yeah, if you wanted to know more about room 20 they do have a few socials so on Facebook it's official room 20 or one word and on Instagram official underscore room twenty and also ah we mentioned the fezbeler show a feature like film.

52:03.38
Brian Penn
So.

52:06.38
ukfilmreview
They have a Facebook page so at the felt the fz becher show. Sorry all 1 word. Um, if you can't find it or or want to know more dode get in touch with us. Um, if you haven't already googled I would ask if you could just Google it first? Yeah, ah before you get in touch and if that's okay.

52:18.22
Brian Penn
Yeah, yes, yeah.

52:24.28
ukfilmreview
So yeah, those are the 2 reviews we're doing um, so thank you very much to the filmmakers who send us their films. It's always an honor to to check them out and to hopefully shine a bit of a light on them. Um, one film. We shined a light on last year was the 1 note man and um.

52:29.76
Brian Penn
Yeah.

52:43.69
ukfilmreview
They have been long listed I think is the phrase. Um for an oscar for best short film as well as short listed I believe is also the phrase for a bafta. Um, so very privileged to have seen this last year and wishing the guys all the best. Um.

52:44.99
Brian Penn
All right? Oh fantastic. Oh yeah, yeah.

53:02.28
ukfilmreview
I was able to catch up with the writer-director George Sugas um I had to ask him his name which you'll hear in the interview if you watch it. Um and also Michael Stevenson who's the producer on the movie. Um. Brian's not going to hear the interview right now. By the way I'm just going to slot it in later but he'll go away and watch. You won't youry and you'll go and watch it. Um, but yeah, very impressed by this film. Both of us were and really wishing the guys the best of luck with the award season. But yes.

53:16.92
Brian Penn
Between course word. Yeah, absolutely.

53:26.86
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:34.26
ukfilmreview
Here's a a clip from the interview. The full interview is available on our Youtube channel um, but this is a portion of that interview and I will stop that in later. Um, so.

53:48.13
Brian Penn
That it should do this one does? yeah.

53:53.80
ukfilmreview
Wonderful to hear from the one night Man Writer director and producer there so moving on Lastly to our nostalgia pick. Um so I picked this because of its relevance.

54:02.16
Brian Penn
Yeah.

54:11.48
ukfilmreview
With our upcoming release of June part 2 Um, which ah stars are are Wonka doesn't it. It's got our wonka in it to maury. Yeah, so I'm I'm trying to tie it all together. Um, so well, it only just came to me if I'm honest.

54:13.26
Brian Penn
And. Oh yeah, Timo Shamma Yeah, the new one. Nice Yeah, yeah, yeah, well well done I don't I thought that ah okay, sorry enough.

54:30.44
ukfilmreview
Um, so June part 2 is out um in February I believe it keeps moving I think because there's been brighter strikes and all this stuff. Um, but I watched the original sorry the the first part last year and I really enjoyed it which maybe then think let me go back and watch the 80 s version.

54:34.45
Brian Penn
And I yeah.

54:47.90
Brian Penn
And.

54:50.30
ukfilmreview
Um, from filmmaker David Lynch I was going to say yeah legendary but I have a troubled history with lynch if I'm honest, um, he's yeah, he's not one of my favorite directors and I say that with a heavy heart because i.

54:58.80
Brian Penn
And I yeah I do too Actually yeah.

55:08.80
ukfilmreview
I know a lot of people absolutely adore his films and I have seen some good ones. Don't get me wrong I think he's a great. He's a very very interesting filmmaker. Um, but as this proves June 194 I don't think he's yeah impervious to ah a mishi a misfire.

55:14.25
Brian Penn
Yeah.

55:26.93
ukfilmreview
Um, but I think it was worth going back to a filmer this. It gave us a reason to go and check it out. Ah so it was again on Amazon prime I believe um at the time when we watched it anyway 1984 June and starring a very young Carl Mcclacken which was great to see him there I do love a bit of mcclacken.

55:31.70
Brian Penn
So yeah, okay.

55:40.12
Brian Penn
He was was yeah yeah.

55:46.77
ukfilmreview
Um, had you seen this before Brian.

55:48.83
Brian Penn
I I have seen it once. But I think that was it I I didn't go out and see it when it was out because it came out in 84 it's not the film I would have gone out and seen at the cinema but I probably would have got it out on video. Do you remember those things video just yeah yeah I should.

56:04.00
ukfilmreview
I loved videos. They were great but I say ah giant side note but my dad used to have a vhs of Dracula and it was in a coffin. The actual tape was kept in a coffin case.

56:10.23
Brian Penn
I was a I I there and I and I and I was the as lost something as times rolled rolled on you know, but times change I Guess don't they really? but so yeah I can.

56:16.53
ukfilmreview
That's what I miss about movies. They were so much fun. You know.

56:23.42
ukfilmreview
Here.

56:30.10
Brian Penn
I'm fairly certain I would have seen it on on vcr on video video Ohio as it used to be be there. But I've not seen it since so this is a bit like watching it for the first time but like you I saw um the deniss philu version with Timy Timothy Chammerla and which I really liked. But.

56:45.25
ukfilmreview
Yeah I thought it was great I Really joy part one? yeah.

56:48.49
Brian Penn
Yeah, but I think the the yeah the 1984 version was not good, not good at school. Yeah, it wasn't good. It wasn't good I mean the I mean.

56:55.63
ukfilmreview
No I'm glad you said that.

57:05.21
Brian Penn
The Frank Herbert Nort Novel is what it is. He said that June is the type of story that that's great and contained within in a novel because you use your imagination when you're reading a book on film you you kind of look it loses something you know, um, and. Have a fantastic cast as well. You know apart from car mclacklan you had Jose Farra Shan Phils Francesca Anis Jurginproch now Virginia Madison Patrick Stewart Freddy Jones then Stockquil Sean Young and st was in it as well. You know.

57:40.42
ukfilmreview
Oh yeah.

57:43.84
Brian Penn
You you've got all these big players white as you think why did why did they get involved with this project I only hope they were well paid Chris that's all I can say well I only hope they didn't take a a cut of a box office receipts that would have been even worse.

57:55.91
ukfilmreview
Ah.

58:03.29
Brian Penn
Because it lost 10000000 didn't it at the ah at the box office. But I mean you think about the story though. The storyline itself right? So what can we say about June the storyline itself set many years in the future human beings are now living on new planets aren't they.

58:03.93
ukfilmreview
I.

58:20.42
Brian Penn
And all-powerful emperor rules over several noble noble houses each one occupies a different planet and all are vying for their share of power in the universe. The poor treatise played by carmalacklan rises to lead the desert army in a battle for control of a valuable spice. Which apparently is the key to the universe and one of the reasons I think this version of the film suffered is because of its proximity to star wars in a c four star wars were in the middle of ah a golden run when they really when the first couple of films that already come out. And many scenes were similar when I was watching I thought there reminds be a bit of star wars but it wasn't as good nowhere near as good and there is apparently a thriving online discussion about what's the best tune the David Lynch version

59:02.51
ukfilmreview
I Thought that yeah.

59:18.13
Brian Penn
Or the Dennis film film ner version. But I'd take Dennis Philners any day because it's a more serious take on the story. It feels a bit more like game of thrones because that's what it's about it's about power. It's a power play David Lynch's version seemed. Silly and self-indulgent to me, you know you know it's just.

59:37.69
ukfilmreview
Yeah, you've nailed it there silly and self-indulgen felt very very with the scenes that they they just felt weird at times for for the sake of it and. The characters just started to become kind of Pantominne. It was like what's going on like yeah whereas I think with the the newer version. It seems albeit more serious. It's got just so much more tonally Correct. It's more tonally correct that you kind of feel in it and this I mean obviously.

59:51.81
Brian Penn
And yeah.

01:00:04.90
Brian Penn
And.

01:00:10.74
ukfilmreview
Watching it way in the future. You know forty years on that it's probably unfair to compare some aspects by. Do think if yeah if we compared this to the same situation as wonka that the gene wilder version. Still absolutely smacks right now. It's still great. You can watch that film and it's still brilliant.

01:00:11.88
Brian Penn
And.

01:00:19.70
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

01:00:28.34
ukfilmreview
And the newer version sounds just as good, but it's just for a different audience whereas with this I'm so glad they've remade it because if this was the only experience anyone had of June I'd be thinking well that's terrible but actually to have remade. It is great and yeah, they put it in 2 parts. They've made it a real blockbuster movie but that's got a great.

01:00:36.28
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:00:47.59
ukfilmreview
Tone. Great atmosphere to it. Yeah, this didn't have that um I don't if anything because I was wondering is this kind of good viewing for people that are interested in the new film I was like I avoid this I wouldn't watch this if you if if if your first time.

01:00:57.29
Brian Penn
Yeah I agree. Yeah I think you're right? Yeah, don't don't bother watching David Lynch's version I thought I don't think there's any point you know I know we can't always do I thought I know we can't always talk about.

01:01:06.30
ukfilmreview
Watch because you might be tempted right? You might be think oh well I'll watch the older version. No just just watch the new one I think this it it hasn't aged well but I still don't think it would have been that impressive at the time and it sounds like it wasn't so yeah, it's it's not star wars and it's not even June for me. Um.

01:01:17.30
Brian Penn
Um, the money that a film makes it you know a film that makes loads of money and could be absolute nonsense but the remate ah, the new version of June one made 300000000 at the box office David Lynch's team lost $10000000 to me that says it all.

01:01:25.43
ukfilmreview
Say I I don't get on very well with David Lynch films um I like the elephant man I thought blue velvet was good I had to watch it a few times before I thought it was good. Um, there was oh what's started of the one my hole and drive I think was also really good by absolutely loathed.

01:01:35.60
Brian Penn
That sums it all up. You know? Um, so um, it's to me, it's it's an odyssey. It's a curiosity and it'd only be for for fans of David Lynch and

01:01:44.16
ukfilmreview
A razor head I could not stand that film and this is also going into that list june is going is that list of film I won't watch of his like I'm not goingnna watch this again. Ah what about you bridey though you gonna watch this again. Oh of lost Brian. Ah 1 ah 2.

01:02:07.45
ukfilmreview
Let me choose 1 or 2 I've lost Brian.

01:02:22.66
ukfilmreview
Hit there right? hello 00:00.00
ukfilmreview
They are there. We haven't had one of these for a while I thought we were impervious to it now but evidently not we can't trust, it's because I was bad mouthing David Lynch I think what happened oh.

00:00.39
Brian Penn
Yeah I'm here. Oh it's good so well wasn't it. It.

00:10.12
Brian Penn
I yeah know yeah, obviously it's programmed by David Lynch Fann obviously

00:17.20
ukfilmreview
Ah, bet you the the people that run this platform that we record on I bet you've you've got some gremlins and they've got yeah people in the in the is he's slagging off erasor head again quick game. Um, so I was I was just say Brian before we got rudely cut off by this.

00:21.98
Brian Penn
And yeah I reckon. Yeah yeah, yeah I know and no no I wouldn't really.

00:34.86
ukfilmreview
Technology that we use um, is this one. You'd watch again.

00:40.00
Brian Penn
I stick I stick with the with the remake the remade version I think the David Lynch version is David Lynch fans it's curiosity and it's it's not It's just not good. It doesn't it hasn't worn very well the effects that were available. And the early eighty s of a primitive by comparison to what you have now and that's something else that makes it suffer some size basic cgi basic special effects can be part of its charm but it just doesn't work now I mean you've only got a look at the amount of money. The new film made it made 300000000 and the box office david lynch's version lost 10000000 that sells you all you need to know.

01:24.94
ukfilmreview
Yeah, and I wouldn't always you know, go by that. But in this case I think it is is. It's a fair thing to have said. Um so June part two I was actually due out in in March I believe now march first I'm 2024 depend on when you're listening to this.

01:35.84
Brian Penn
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01:41.89
ukfilmreview
Um, so yeah, very excited for that and hopefully we've saved some people a trip down a disastrous lane.

01:43.10
Brian Penn
Yeah I yeah and and I actually I did read that June part two should have come out in the a s but they canned it because the first june film was so poorly received.

02:01.60
ukfilmreview
There you go. We finally got there.

02:03.80
Brian Penn
So it's ah but it but it's but it's ah it's a fair point Chris you can't you can't necessarily assume because the film makes a lot of money. It's any good. But I think it's a good comparison here between these two films and the way you approach a film that David Lynch on this occasion just in my opinion it. And in yours by the sound of it. You just got it wrong. So.

02:22.89
ukfilmreview
Absolutely yeah and it's not often I should think it ever really happens when we revisit a film for nostalgia pick that it's one. We don't like but with this it was tied into a release I thought it was a good idea to sort of do that but also part of the nostalgia thing is also to.

02:28.79
Brian Penn
Yeah.

02:40.30
ukfilmreview
Question that and revisit a film I'd hadn't seen it anyway. So for me, this was a travel back to a new film and it's good to just have a reason to go back and see an older film. It's forty years old so it's worth our time to just see and lynch as a filmmaker I'm always.

02:40.10
Brian Penn
Yeah.

02:56.18
ukfilmreview
Absolutely nervous when I watch one of his films whether I'm going to love it or hate it and it just definitely falls into the latter.

03:01.53
Brian Penn
And um, well so just that of interest Chris what would what would you say is your favorite David Lynch film then yeah I would add that as well. Actually.

03:07.54
ukfilmreview
I Think the Elephant man I Love the Elephant man I's it's just such a brilliantly filmed piece of art is so great. Such a great story. Great performance pitch on her really left it. Um.

03:16.69
Brian Penn
The.

03:24.30
ukfilmreview
Yeah I think blue velvet I really liked but I had to watch it a couple of times. The first time I watched it I was like oh this is awful. But then I so watched it a few more times understood more of the symbolism and things that were going on got more out of it. But I tell you the one I absolutely hated was a raiseor head I thought a razor head could absolutely.

03:29.62
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, it Oh not, no no, no absolutely not no.

03:41.55
ukfilmreview
Do one I would never watch that ever I wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy that film.

03:47.20
Brian Penn
I Don't think I've ever finished that film off properly Please to be honest, yeah know when you start from with all on and I go They always start again. Yeah, ah.

03:51.30
ukfilmreview
Yeah I wish I could have done that I was in a screening at the bfi I'd gone to do like a David Lynch thing and I was watching it and I was just I was dying to leave but you know when you're surrounded by like um cinema you know fans and.

04:07.16
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, you Oh yeah, course Use Q and that went out one. Yeah yeah.

04:07.80
ukfilmreview
These are real hardcore lynchons and I was like if I get up now they are gonna lynch me Yeah, see what I did the I think it's just I think it was I did I way I thought I'll get that in. But I yeah that for me is it's one of those things where you know when someone sort of says oh you have to like it. Yeah, you have you must like it. No, no, no I don't I Really don't art is very subjective and this is Awful. Um.

04:27.87
Brian Penn
I and know it's no more of course ah another um, pretty fairly decent Dave Lynch film Moholand drawing.

04:37.67
ukfilmreview
Yeah I was gonna say I think that is up there with the with the good ones I have not I've never seen Twin Peaks the show I think that apparently that's very good I always solve.

04:41.20
Brian Penn
Yeah, so.

04:46.51
Brian Penn
So yeah, it's that if yeah, the tv shot I kind of saw on and off but I know it's exact screaming the about twin peaks the film is that it's it's a slow burner isn't it. You have to you can't just see it once and get it straight away. But then again, some would say that's the appeal of David Lynch um

05:05.17
ukfilmreview
I like that he challenges people I do like that and I think you know filmmakers should be yeah um, they're artists at the heart of it there. That's what they are and the storytellers I think with something like June that it's not his story. It's just his film that with the way that he's decided to bring that to the screen just does not work.

05:10.44
Brian Penn
And oh so. And.

05:22.69
ukfilmreview
And so why certainly not in any longt standinging way that it is proof Iss proof that artists can be wrong when and gets there that everything they do isn't absolutely perfect. So this is I would I would point this out to anyone that says you oh you got a level lynch films because you don't really don't.

05:23.15
Brian Penn
No.

05:30.56
Brian Penn
Yeah, so.

05:37.12
Brian Penn
Now you happen Now you haven't yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, and I.

05:42.94
ukfilmreview
Ah, quite a depressing note to finish the podcast on but I think it's important and we have gone through some amazing films in this episode. Hopefully our listeners have made it to the end and you've got some things that you want to watch if you've seen any of the films that we reviewed do let's know what you thought of them.

06:02.25
ukfilmreview
And we will be back next month with another episode. We'll be in oscar territory I believe um so probably would have happened I think maybe by time we've recorded oh okay, maybe not.

06:07.16
Brian Penn
Well yeah, yeah, um, so actually come to think of it I think it's March isn't it so be the watch. Yeah.

06:18.12
ukfilmreview
So maybe we can do some some preamble about the ah the Oscars that'll be nice. Yeah, sounds good. But um, yeah, thank you for being with us if you've listened all the way if you've dropped out halfway I wouldn't be able to talk to you right now. So your loss your loss. Ah.

06:22.13
Brian Penn
Yeah, talk about the year the nominees. No.

06:33.00
Brian Penn
Ah, yeah, absolutely yeah pleasure. No problem. Thank you very much.

06:37.80
ukfilmreview
Thank you Brian as always for being with me and for going to the cinema so much and watching all these films. Um, yeah, you are that that beautiful brain of yours is yeah full of amazing new films. Um, but yeah, thank you all for listening.

06:52.31
Brian Penn
Bye for now.