UK Film Club - 002: Women Talking review

00:00.00
ukfilmreview
I literally was putting my daughter down I went to leave the room and I thought she's she's all good. She's asleep and then she went daddy where you going I was like oh no.

00:02.32
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, just as you get get to the door Now you're back where you started again aren't you.

00:13.10
ukfilmreview
And I was like oh no like this was at like half seven of what right? Okay, this is going to take a miracle. So hopefully she stays asleep. But if not, it's my wife's problem now exactly you are my child right now.

00:22.59
Brian Penn
Ah, well well Well yeah, you're otherwise occy aren't you for the next hour. So So you've gone I Well if you want to look at at that way fair enough, you know, um, it's It's your it's your. Um, why you'll get out a G free card is that yeah see what know? Yeah, it's but bit like blaming. The dog isn't it and when something goes wrong. Oh it's in is yeah, not yeah yeah.

00:36.83
ukfilmreview
Yeah I blame you for a lot actually Brian You wouldn't you wouldn't know and you've you've if if if my wife ever meets you. She's just going to go? No not not you.

00:53.61
Brian Penn
Well look I have my uses don't I let's be let's be fair about this, you know I'm always always happy to perform a service for a friend. You know that you know, um, but how have you been though? generally.

00:54.94
ukfilmreview
So.

01:04.63
ukfilmreview
Yeah, yeah, good good. Very good. Actually I had Covid last week so got over that. Um, it's It's my second go at it. So yeah.

01:07.38
Brian Penn
Yeah I I was gonna say you I didn't want so already you been a bit greater to you I yeah.

01:14.89
ukfilmreview
If anything the sequel was just man. Yeah, it didn't really do what the first one did the first one had all the novelty and you was interest in the second time it was like oh god go away would you and got time for this.

01:17.52
Brian Penn
Man well listen some they on. Let hope this. That's the last one. Let's hope there's not gonna be in it any further repeats. We don't want you to turn into our Marvel franchise. Anyway, you know, but you know hum of the week. You know.

01:31.83
ukfilmreview
No, exactly.

01:37.20
Brian Penn
Wednesday you know we're over that. Um the nobbly part of the week ah like just all lights of things so weren't the oscars predictable weren't I they were utterly utterly predictable.

01:46.12
ukfilmreview
Yeah, it was weird this year I I I very rarely get much into it and I didn't really this year either. But I this year was one of the few years where I've actually seen some of the films beforehand because often what happens if they o cause I watched them afterwards like the films are coming up and.

01:56.48
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, so what most people do isn't that.

02:03.21
ukfilmreview
Yeah I was kind of like oh okay, they went with that one where ok, um, but I was surprised that it did fall down so heavily with um, everything everywhere all at once I'll be surprised actually about what you think about that.

02:10.97
Brian Penn
Well, yeah I wasn't surprised really because the way it was shaping up I think they'd already made up their minds that this is our chance I mean I hate to sound cynical. You know I prefer to to say realistic but it was shaping up that way you know. Had ah numerous boxes to tick you know the pressure that the academy have been under in recent years with different things going on and pressure to comply it and be politically correct and be very wokest. It's difficult not to be cynical in this environment. You know by all means um.

02:49.35
Brian Penn
Recognize Films for their quality now I'm not saying that everything everywhere once is not a bad film. It's okay, but it doesn't deserve that level of the price you know I mean it's It's all a matter of opinion isn't it. We also been done but I mean a film might tell for example that I was raving about on the last podcast.

03:06.53
ukfilmreview
Um.

03:06.83
Brian Penn
That's the type of film that if you wanted to reward diversity and inclusion. You could do it with that. You know female director black cast about the civil rights movement I mean that's sticks for a few boxes but it in my opinion. It deserves the praise that it never got you know this is what I feel with someone run it really you know. Um, but Brendan from Brendan um, Brendan Fraser got off the Oscar for best best acts though which is quite right? I think yeah yeah.

03:33.88
ukfilmreview
Yeah, you you sang his praises in the last episode. So yeah I think um, the thing is as we both chatted about last last time the film itself everything everywhere all at once. Certainly it didn't on I've only seen it once I Still only have seen it once and.

03:40.63
Brian Penn
Are.

03:51.60
ukfilmreview
It didn't rattle me in any kind of way that I thought oh my God of course of course this is an oscar when I it kind of was like okay this is a fairly interesting film but that's about it like whereas when I watched um ah to pick a nonwhite Hollywood film that did win something like parasite when I watched parasite.

03:57.22
Brian Penn
Um, yeah, and I.

04:08.19
Brian Penn
Yeah.

04:10.47
ukfilmreview
I remember being particularly yeah, moved by that film that it was Wow that was something really special. That was so interesting. Um, so yeah, it's interesting to see what happened.

04:16.46
Brian Penn
Yeah, but yeah, there's something about it though. Parasite is there's something that kind of grabs you straight away and that's what a good film should do is make you curious and make you think right? I can't take my eyes off for this but you know ah we have to accept that. The academy will operate in it in a certain way and doesn't do what I feel is always logical but but yeah as to say is you're just dealing with opinions. Um I mean we've all got a view a view of the way things should be and what a great film is but I think in some ways the oscars are dumbing down I mean you look at. Any award ceremony. You might talk about the ah golden global awardds the the baftass the screen as as guild right? and they' they're all kind of up there but the real the real yartic the benchmark the gold standard is the oscars. You know if you were an Oscar you've got a license to work in Hollywood haven't you's so simple as that. So that's a rare honor to bestow on anyone I think really, but you know it just doesn't seem to scan very well with me. You know it. It just seems to be playing to the gallery a bit too much. You know trying to play too safe and it becomes too obvious as well. I.

05:31.45
ukfilmreview
Oh there you go I mean um, we will be talking about an Oscar winner in this episode. Um, yeah, our our streaming pick for this? Yeah, very good way. But we'll get to that. Um, but before.

05:37.46
Brian Penn
And we will Yeah, that's right richly things loved as well. Yeah, there Yeah well what.

05:49.49
ukfilmreview
We get to the streaming. It's cinema releases go for it. Brian.

05:55.87
Brian Penn
What should we go with first or are you gonna let me choose oh okay, why.

05:58.77
ukfilmreview
Oh I Always let you choose this now you know why it's because um, as I said earlier I am completely unprepared really for this episode. So I'm going to use this time when you're actually going to be talking about these films to get all my sheets up and get to get myself together. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

06:10.14
Brian Penn
Ah, like is that it you see you're given the game away there. You could have stay quiet couldn't you couldve just separate ah ah know know yeah I mean we could we could appear like a Swan Couldn were you know calm on surface. But.

06:15.20
ukfilmreview
It's not the slick operation that people think it is is largely me with a Mike and a spreadsheet.

06:25.62
Brian Penn
Palling away furiously below the surface but you're prepared to let it all show aren't you. That's okay I can get with that. You know you can I Yeah ah unit. You know anyone could be a victim of your your careful eison couldn't they really let's be fair, all right then.

06:27.80
ukfilmreview
I am but I also have control of post-production edit So I can make myself look really organized there. It's fine.

06:42.10
ukfilmreview
Ah.

06:42.24
Brian Penn
So let let's let's start then right? So we got five films on general release the first one that I'd like to discuss is women talking this stars Clare Foy Jesse Buckley and Francis Madoman it's directed by Sarah Polly story is is basically women living in a religious colony. Untouched by the twenty first century where the men brutalize and rape their women at will and so they decide to do something about it. They take a vote 3 choices 1 they leave 2 they do nothing 3 they stay in fights now I don't think it's given too much of the ah. A way to say that they they dismiss do nothing. It's either gonna be leave or stay and fight they spit down the middle and the film is basically a record of their discussions over the course of an evening or an entire night really where they decide what they what they do and. And and we sure he's the only man in the cast. He's the he plays the the teacher. The honest broker the neutral who recalls their discussions now I think the trailers on this film. Don't do it any justice if you look at the trailers for this film. It looks very dry. Looks very slow, not very pacey at all. But it's not It's not though you know it's a kind of film. You almost listen to it rather than watch it because the characters are fairly static. They don't move around very much or the actions takes place within a barn within this community and the.

08:19.90
Brian Penn
Um, the fact that it doesn't they don't move around much doesn't seem to affect it because the plot still rolls along at a reasonably good pace I think it's a very good film. It's very intelligent. Um not an easy one to get to grips with and quite disturbing in places. But it's it's a film that has its reward if you stick with it. But it's it's the antithesis of so many films that we see in the cinema because you know it's It's a thinking film. It's a talking film. It's not about action. But ah, a very very good film and worth.

08:55.71
ukfilmreview
Well, what cast I mean I must say a big big fan of Jesse Buckley um and and all of them really, but um I think when you do get these films that come to the big screen that aren't playing up to you know.

08:55.96
Brian Penn
Worth having a look at yeah um.

09:12.72
ukfilmreview
Keeping our attention here really giving us lots and lots of visuals. Sometimes that's a really nice option. Um I remember seeing yeah I remember seeing the King's speech in and that's quite a heavy kind of dialogue film and lots of intimate scenes and seeing it.

09:16.65
Brian Penn
Um, yes makes a change right? yeah.

09:30.10
ukfilmreview
In an immersive experience was actually really powerful because I feel when you do have something that's say more visual that can still kind of work at home. You can still do that. But if you have something that is trying to just captivate you largely with dialogue and and a script that.

09:38.53
Brian Penn
So.

09:44.29
Brian Penn
M.

09:47.88
ukfilmreview
Yeah, a Cinema is a very good place to put that because you're almost like a fly on the wall. You feel more like a fly on the wall I think in that sort of arena.

09:51.90
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah I agree I think you're you're kind of in an enclosed environment. You're in darkness. You know it's like all the um, the pre-show trailers that you see where they urge you to switch your mobile off.

10:05.25
ukfilmreview
Yeah, if.

10:07.55
Brian Penn
Watch this Screen. Don't watch any other screen and um, it's all very true. You know they want they want you to to appreciate this cinematic experience and to see a film like that on a big screen. It is unusual people might look at a film like women talking and think I'll wait for that on streaming but I would urge you. If. It's the type of film that you feel you could warm to it's the gar on a sit in a similar because all films are better on a big screen but it has a certain amount of naughty value because it is a thoughtful film. It's a thinking film and it is about domestic abuse. So It's dealing with um, a very current. So called subjects and it always will be and it's um, an issue that we're trying to get to grips with as a society a society. So um, it's got that guy for it as Well. You know women will watch it and relates to it and so will men as well and but it's. Well worth a look and it will surprise you I think it will surprise you if you you sit down and watch it. But I mean it. It requires something different from you as a viewer.

11:13.88
ukfilmreview
Okay, well there we go women talking um an Oscar winner for a best adapted screenplay. So worth anyone's time. What's next Brian.

11:14.34
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah, what's next right? Let's go with what's love got to do with it now. This is nothing to do with the thematon of film or the team of turn a song. This is a a film with. Well starring Lillly James says ad laif and Emma Thompson directed by shakurkapo and a screenplay by Jemima Carn no less um now story pretty much a straightforward romcom with a slight twist Lilly James plays Zoe a filmmakerr. Who's grown up living next door to a best friend kaz played by Shazad Lateif coming from a traditional pakistani family kaz has succumbed to an arranged marriage or assisted marriage as they call it now Zari decides to film Kazzi's wedding in Pakistan. The party flies off and the fun and games begin now I think this is a a lovely romcom It's almost a date night movie I think for lots of nice visuals. A very good script by by johu maccar you know.

12:35.20
Brian Penn
She's not the the person you would expect to come up with ah a script for a romantic comedy but she's drawn on her own experiences being mar to and ranhan the pakistani cricketer and it makes some interesting points about I mean we seeing films about eastern and western cultures clashing but this is trying to set. Concepts of an arranged marriage alongside the western conventions of spontaneous relationships developing and that jux the position between the 2 is quite interesting but nevertheless it's still a good film if you like Rom comes I stress that if you're a fan of Rom comes you will enjoy it It's quite predictable to be fair, but that's the way we like our um, comes we like them to be predictable. We like happy endings and I'm pleased to report. There is a happy ending hit here. But you get 10 minutes into the film. You'll know what what the ending is going to be but you know I personally don't mind that. Because you you get something specific from a Rom -com you get a few laughs you get some good storytelling. You get to warm to people that are very likable. Usually even the ones that are not quite so pleasantly drawn. You end up liking them as well. That's that it's a feel good movie isn't it's it's a heart warmer. It's all those cliches that we as film critics use. You can attach all of these to what's love got to do with it but a a very good film and well worthre seeing.

14:01.38
ukfilmreview
Okay, sounds great I mean do love? Um Lily James she's doing a lot of great movies for me like and when it comes to rom coms I mean this is saying it coming from the producer of Bridget Jones's diary love actually those sort of places.

14:15.22
Brian Penn
Yeah, um, um, my mind so mine. So yeah.

14:17.90
ukfilmreview
That's right up my street that really is you know it's and I think there's yeah, a big place in especially British Cinema I think for these types of films where yeah they are a bit. Um. Yeah, kind of easy going And yeah, they they are playing around with a lot of these sort tropes and I think this is the sort of film again goes back to the idea of like the sort film. You're gonna watch in a cinema you're going on a date. You got the opportunity to watch them like this or you've got.

14:32.41
Brian Penn
And.

14:48.10
ukfilmreview
Something like women talking there's that's variety. There's different types of movies. Yeah I think that's ah, that's a great, um, great selection that we've got going on this month in cinemas.

14:49.60
Brian Penn
Yeah, courses. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's right, you have got a contrast there and they're both excellent films in different ways and I think it's it's it's as to say it's asking for so for a different reaction from us as viewers. I think with ah what's life got to do with it. You're looking at what you're looking for. You're looking for. Um, nice characters, an engaging story like and some laughs some ah a witty sort of banter and dialogue and there's lots of that going on here. And I must say if this is anything to go by I'm really impressed with Jemi Mcca as a as a scriptwriter this is just the screenplay that she's done but it's you know she's drawing on her own experiences. But I mean it's not easy to write a script like that. That's you know that's got all those elements all those ingredients fit into it. And makes you care about occurrees and gives you a few laughs to to sort of clever lines that sticking your head you know it does all of that and it does a job for me and I think it's that's out of those first two films. It's probably the film that will run for longer on general release. You know I always look at the the listings local cinema listings and for for a film like womenalking you might only get 3 or 4 listings in one day right for a film like what's love got to do with it. You might get 6 or 7 but if you compare it to something like shazanne.

16:25.19
Brian Penn
Or Ant know there'll be 15 or 16 slots that you could choose from and it does give you an idea of what the public responds to I would hope a film like womenalking or what s I've got to do with it will get more than just 3 or 4 slots a day because that's a sign that people um, have got an open mind. And they'll see different types of film. You know one of the things that I hope we can do with film club is to open people's minds a bit more and that there are other types of films out there that that are worth seeing.

16:56.14
ukfilmreview
Absolutely and Brian brings me on to a good point. So if this is your first episode of film club then um, nice to have you here where have you been answers on a postcard please? Ah what we? What we want to know is your opinions of these films so we actually have had someone send in a. Ah, review of all quite on the western front which you're going to review in a bit. But yeah, any of the films that we talk about women talking. What's love've got to do with it a lot more coming up on the on the show. We'd want your reviews too now whether that's you want to send us an audio. Ah. Actual recording of you which there is now a button Brian on the website I've created a button for yeah, stuck it right on the homepage can't miss it. We have I mean that took me a good hour or 2 to sort that out with a cup of tea I was yeah.

17:33.36
Brian Penn
On Wow Oh wow you created a button Nice one. Yeah, where we've really arrived there haven't we if we got our own buttons on our own website. Yeah, really did it did it really is So is it that technical.

17:51.47
ukfilmreview
No I'm just really slow and I have the office on in the background I was just not not exactly Russian Um, but yeah, if you if you want to send in your reviews or if you want to tweet them. You can tweet them to at Uk Film review or however, you want to send them to us. Maybe you don't want your voice read out. Um, so I'm happy to read them for you or you know feel free to send in any other method. Um.

17:53.67
Brian Penn
Oh right I say all right? fair. Yeah.

18:11.38
ukfilmreview
Other than like yeah these kind of barbaric methods of like carrier pigeons are always worried about the pigeons were they all right with that was that ok I don't know little extra message type you tape to the bottom I help me.

18:19.12
Brian Penn
It didn't have a lot of saying and I couldn't answer back. Could they really? yeah yeah, if like if only they could read and write. It could have been so different. Couldn't it. That's that's what the what evolution does isn't it good.

18:30.94
ukfilmreview
Ah know it was their own fault really and there that brings us very nicely on to what's next Brian yeah, what's next. Ah.

18:39.72
Brian Penn
What's next Chris what's next this creed 3 yeah a creter I couldn't resist it I thought yeah because I'm I'm normally quite adverse to to films with Roman Numerals and the title but it is Creed. You know it's it's an offshoot of Rocky. So I thought god do this starring Michael B Jordan and Jonathan Majors also directed by Michael B Jordan as well. It's his first I think he's his first swim as director. But yeah I think it is actually he may well be his lady I think he's been dabbling isn't he he's he's one of these sort of actors that dabbles as a writer and a director.

18:59.94
ukfilmreview
Is it his first his first film. Yeah, there was hope.

19:16.52
Brian Penn
Ah, think it's his first directorial venturely excellent. We can confirm that then so this is um, the latest instalment of the donnus creed franchise. So the story is pretty much creed is retired.

19:16.67
ukfilmreview
Born into I am D B It is so that is gospel.

19:35.17
Brian Penn
And living a comfortable life as a media celebrity as his own gym is advertising living a nice comfortable life with a nice family but then a figure from his childhood re-enters his life Daian Anderson played by Jonathan Majors shares a secret with creed which becomes clear as the film wears on. But in double quick time Damien and becomes world heavywe champion and starts to bait creed starts to dis in and you think well we know what's coming don't we really we know what's going to come next so cree comes out retirement and fights Damien Anson so he's fighting. Not only Anderson but he's fighting his personal demons as well. It's that kind of film really, you know what? you're getting. We know that if again if if you're being really bruisedly honest about this It's a bit like rocky 9 or rocky eight only without rocky in and this. That's really weird as well. There's no mention of Rocky Bell bar in this film. Not that I could see you'd been airbrushed. Apparently there were issues between stallone and the producers on this film. He thought the currents was going in their own direction and if you remember Rocky Bell Bow was in the first 2 crew preed movies. Bearing in mind the influence that you had on creed just to kind of suddenly airbrush him out is a bit odd. But anyway you get over that. It's a very entertaining film for entirely different reasons when compared to the first two films that we've looked at because it's action based the storyline is fairly.

21:10.11
Brian Penn
Linear straightforward. It doesn't challenge you much. It's a storyline that we've seen many many times before particularly in boxing moves as well. It's not so far removed from rocky so you know taking all that on board is thoroughly entertaining and it's ah it's a good way to spend a couple of hours the visuals are great. Fighter sequences are incredible I mean in the review that I wrote I actually had to say that neither one of them looked like her property heavy heavyweight. They look like cruiser weights they look so like they look so like to me and also.

21:40.74
ukfilmreview
Ah.

21:44.86
Brian Penn
No boxer could possibly have hands that quick and feet that quick. You know so the the credibility side of things I would question but entertainment wise you can't go wrong with this. You know what? you know what? you're getting does what it says on the scene. It's the old cliche.

21:59.40
ukfilmreview
I mean boxing films are your genre upon themselves. And yeah, what's your favorite box in film Brian I was gonna say reg bo yeah, you can't go wrong with that way.

22:03.75
Brian Penn
oh yeah oh I think raging bull. Yeah no I know well, it's the Niro. It's because say see it's in black and white I love films in black and white with raging ball. What's interesting about that film. It's a boxing movie naturally. But you only get 22 I think 22 minutes of boxing in two and a half half hours and all right fair enough. You're telling a story about a person but the feature so little boxing. Maybe that's what makes it good though because it's sparing I think another really good boxing movie going back? Ah, even further in time. You know ranaging bulls 1980 s we go back to the late 50 S Paul Newman made a film called somebody up there likes me about Rocky Marciano um though Rocky Gratiano think pardon Rocky Rocky Gratana the middle white very good film in black and white. So.

23:01.50
Brian Penn
There are some very good boxing movies and whilst I wouldn't put creed and the creed franchise with raging ball or somebody up there likes me. It does the job. It's very glossy. You know I think it lacks probably the rawness of what boxing is really about. Um. There's there's a kind of a shine or on Creed. There was a shine on the rocky movies after the first rocky movie in my opinion but you know the purist could look at it and pick it apart but you know you take it for what it is is good. Entertainment.

23:36.65
ukfilmreview
There you go creed 3 um your reviews do send them in or if you want to send us your favorite boxing film. Do that too. Yeah, we'd love to hear it um with did I do the sports episode with you on the podcast. Yeah.

23:43.30
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, um, but I'd love to talk about boxing movies a lot more. There's a lot we could talk about anything. Yeah, you do? yeah.

23:53.45
ukfilmreview
Because I remember thinking about that. Oh my goodness like the the well fighting and boxing in general could have yeah, it's well its own show because trying to fit all the different sports in it was just so hard so here just so what we go right? Well, what's next Brian come on.

24:00.55
Brian Penn
Yeah, definitely yeah, it was difficult. Yeah, maybe we should do one just for just a box and there's certainly places to choose from. Ah yeah, was next cocaine bear.

24:12.13
ukfilmreview
Give it to me.

24:16.23
Brian Penn
Ah, cocaine bit right? Okay, starring Ray Loita in his final film role and Kerry Russell directsed by Elizabeth Banks and based very loosely on a true story of an american black bear that ingested £75 of lost cocaine. Honestly.

24:34.22
ukfilmreview
See.

24:35.73
Brian Penn
It's preposterous off its head. It's totally nuts but is it entertaining? Hell yeah hell yeah, you know the? ah the visuals are just incredible. The animatronics. Ah do their job pretty well they do I think they do use a real bear at times. But. Even though it's it's slighted as com comic horror or comedy horror. Um, it's actually very funny in places very funny and it's got a great soundtrack as well. It's got a great eightyy soundtrack. It's got one of my favorite hip hop records white lines time. Don't do it. Like Grandma fashion money mill so it's kind of got all that going for it I think with this film you need to suspend your disbelief even though we know it's based on facts on the big screen they exaggerate don't you know I think the real bear that was involved was kind of a a bit more like a tedy bear but the bear we we see on screen is. Seven hundred pounds a eight foot so what it seems like it anyway. Um, ah, having said that god it's it's a white knuckle ride. It really sends you on a ride and there are some great things particularly where 2 paramedics are trying to escape from this bear and they've got somebody injured in the back of the. The ah the vehicle got it's it's it's exhilllarary you you cant cannot take your eyes off it I think it's unfortunate that it was Ray Lo's last film. It's not the way I would prefer to remember him because after all he did make good for us and and that.

26:04.60
ukfilmreview
There. Yep.

26:08.40
Brian Penn
Makes him a bona fide he legend anyone he was in that film is he made other good films too. But that's the film I'd like to remember him for and I think in some ways it's sad that it was his last moving but I just hope he got paid loans of money for doing it. He got sport rotten and he enjoyed himself. That's all like all I can say about that. But I sense. There will be a sequel here because the the end of the film left the door wide open left a gaping opening for cocaine bed to where where I don't know to be honest I don't know I've not read that there's going to be a sequel but. Doors wide open I don't know where else they could go with it. But it's hugely entertaining quite scary in places you know it's like I think it's only a 15 um, having said that though I mean the racings for films there I think are almost irrelevant the way. People can access movies these things. But I think there'll but there'll be a sequel because the ending left the door open for it and I'm not sure what how I feel you know what I think a circles in general and we we just been talking about a sequel but you can't get away from them. Can you Chris really.

27:19.26
ukfilmreview
Now you got the built in audience. Yeah, you got that bankable um viewership there so sequels are like that with this though I was surprised you said that might happen because it feels like very much a thing of itself that you know it's like an event right? that it was based on a real story. So.

27:30.99
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:35.19
ukfilmreview
I say who's in this though just in the cast list is um Brooklyn prince yeah, young actress and she was in a really good film called the Florida project. Um, really recommend that. Um, and yeah, she plays one of the main characters in that film Sean Baker film and I saw that a film first few years ago and

27:38.68
Brian Penn
Oh right? I've not seen that Actually yeah.

27:55.90
ukfilmreview
I Remember thinking about her in that thinking. Wow She's really good. Um I didn't I wish it because I wasn't sure I never know with with kid stars because sometimes maybe it's just a character that happens to reflect their personality that just sort of works. Um, but it's good to see that she's still doing stuff because um, yeah, that's a really good film.

27:55.64
Brian Penn
She she was good in this film as well. Yeah, yeah.

28:06.16
Brian Penn
I. I think I think child actors need to survive growing up. Don't they you know they they could be absolutely brilliant and real prodigies as children but they need to get through that phase of growing up and you know when they become an adult one are they still interested in acting.

28:15.96
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

28:30.12
Brian Penn
And so have they matured have they developed sufficiently to carry on dancing and I think there's another podcast in that Chris looking at child as and how they grow up and what they go on to do you know some child actors just give it up altogether. But um, she was very good at in. Very good, very sort of natural and believable reactions. You know you know it doesn't go too much to the side of comedy because there are funny moment. Generally funny moments. There are but nevertheless they they were suitably concerned by by a black.

28:50.60
ukfilmreview
Um, a.

29:05.85
Brian Penn
There out of its head on cocaine as you would be in a wood in a Forest particularly if you if you choose to climb up a tree but I'm giving away more of the play. So maybe it will stop here. Yeah, but good fun though.

29:13.80
ukfilmreview
Well um, our our friends at the phantom zone have also reviewed that cocaine bear on their episode recently. So do go check that out. Um, and yeah, if you've seen it loved It hated it wasn't sure about it. Send in your review send it to us. Um, we got another one Brian or was that 1 more? Yep oh yeah.

29:34.13
Brian Penn
You forward to it. We got one more. We got one more the middle man this yeah this is ah this is a bit of class. Really I think star in port powell s sphere Hagen Hyper pronounce that right. And Paul gross directed by Ben Hamer this is really what I would call a love letter to the Cohen Brothers you know it wears its influences on its sleeve. You can see that nothing wrong with that at all. But it's pretty much in the Cohen Brothers ball part David Lynch it's it's the story of ah, a guy called Frank Furellli played by Pal Swera Hagen ah who becomes the middle man this small anonymous american town needs someone to deliver bad news so they start interviewing. And you do and you have the pastor and the local councilman and the police officer played by Paul Gross interviewing Frank he gets the job and he goes about his business of delivering bad news. It's it. You know. Reading it out like that describing it in that way I hope I've made it interesting enough but it doesn't sound particularly gripping when I read it when I when I just describe it but but it's it's just totally riveting once you start watching it.

31:02.66
Brian Penn
And you start picking up where the inferences are with the Com brothers as well. Particularly blood simple but very very good film very sort of likable characters that you buy into. They're fundamentally decent but their experiences in life lead them. Ah, down a certain path. You know it's they're kind of characters with wasted talent their care. Their peoples lives haven't gone anywhere and they're still waiting for their lives to go somewhere but they're still living in this town. They're still living in an enclosed community where too many people know too much about each other but it's the. It's that it's that at the 5 it's the film with real character but the greatest character at the five that we've reviewed and they're all really good and they're all worth seeing. But this for me I love the kind of that picking up on that kind of Cohen Brothers approach the David Lynch approach I love that I think it's great. And more of that please I do like it.

32:04.82
ukfilmreview
So that was the middle man. Um I do believe it will be in cinemas. It should already be in cinemas. Um, yeah, you we got a screen they didn't you so just checking it was coming on. Um, obviously yeah, you mentioned the cohen brothers connection there. What's your favorite cohen Brothers film.

32:08.56
Brian Penn
I Think it is now. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:20.10
Brian Penn
Oh fargo I think I'd have to go with Fargo or oh up now.

32:21.57
ukfilmreview
Brian. Oh yeah I was a fargo is up there for me. Yeah I was it was between that and inside the we and Davis actually I really like inside loan and davis if it's such a good film.

32:31.94
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, there are so to chooses from art aren't they really and very inferential filmmakers as Well. It' the blood simples Really good. That was one of the early ones I like that there there's just so many there and I mean they're not just I Mean. Producers and directors and writers. But they they do write on. They they do go off on ah on different sort of Jollies. Don't they as well. Which I think is is good. Um, but yeah, um, love the film. What did you think have you not seen it.

32:55.88
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

33:04.99
ukfilmreview
I've not seen it. Um, yeah now the screener that we got um, there were some issues with it and the yeah the link they sent was only for you So I wasn't able to sort of watch it. So I thought do you know what? I'll wait till.

33:07.23
Brian Penn
I Yeah yeah I.

33:19.65
ukfilmreview
Brian tells me whether I should watch it then you gave it 4 stars and I thought oh I should have watched that so I'll try and get hold of it again.

33:21.47
Brian Penn
Yeah, now. Definitely well watch it watch it when you can because it is that kind of film. It draws you in it doesn't you know that this is where it's really kind of picked up on what the kind Brothers do because it doesn't try too Hard. It doesn't kind of. Have to make too much of an effort it sets this all out gives you the story and you buy into the characters you buy into the story even though there does there appears to be a lot of substance there you think right? ecolivers bad News. So If there's an accident somewhere. He has to tell the bereaved relatives what's Happened. So he's doing the town sherished dirty work for them and as to say I hope I've I've given it enough life for people to be curious about It. You know that's the important thing but as to say you can take an ordinary topic and ah make it something Special. So. I Think it's very good, Very very good and yeah I Love the Co Brothers. It's they just might they're just the kind of filmmakerrs that you do you do blind So you. There's something about them. It's got a certain a certain genoor as they saying.

34:37.51
ukfilmreview
There you go.

34:40.56
Brian Penn
Hearts like a proxy is the film I was trying to think of by the kind brothers that was with ah Paul Newman as well. So um, yeah I think fargo though Fargo is one that stands out for me the most.

34:55.46
ukfilmreview
It's very memorable and it's very like I've always got a warm feeling about that film even though it's set in such a cold place is a really sort of warm film to me just in terms of the feelings of the characters the the way that they were presented was just so.

35:08.26
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was. It was actually yeah I just I'm just looking through some of the films of the kin brothers you know, made some great films barton fink oh love that film. Um, the big Lebowski Jeff Daniels oh

35:10.19
ukfilmreview
So great and the show was good Actually the Tv show was was pretty good. Few of those series.

35:22.63
ukfilmreview
Oh yeah, the dude.

35:25.92
Brian Penn
Love that film as well. We'll have to do one on the kind brothers won't we Chris what's it happen and maybe I was on it. Maybe that's now. So.

35:30.78
ukfilmreview
Have we not already I feel like we would have done that maybe we did them now. Wow It's not worth listening to them now I'm kidding. Do do listen to it. Um, but yeah, no definitely I mean they've they've just got an amazing filmography. It's just.

35:44.79
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, they've got quite a high work rate aren't they really they you know they're not kind of one film every five years they they do they do not come out at a reasonable rate and the quality that the quality doesn't suffer does it.

35:47.80
ukfilmreview
Incredible and there is still a few I haven't actually seen. Um, yeah I've started to to.

36:01.11
ukfilmreview
Yeah, and good quality speaking of quality not suffering. We're moving on to our streaming pick for the month and before we get started. We have a review from a listener. Ah.

36:04.44
Brian Penn
Go And yeah, oh yeah.

36:15.92
Brian Penn
Oh oh put it all right? okay.

36:18.58
ukfilmreview
Lindsey Attenborough I'm going to attempt to play this through my phone through the mic. But I probably upload it properly for the edit but for Brian apologies if you can't hear this very well.

36:29.62
ukfilmreview
I was privileged to be invited by Netflix to the screening in q and a at the hamiard hotel and I would give the event 5 stars in addition to the film as it was one of the most in-depth and honest panels I had ever had the fortune to be in the audience of the film itself. Is unique and giving you a deep insight into the fatality of war and the hardship for a soldier during the first world war Leslie Patterson 1 of the screenwriters is an athlete and I think she really understood the suffering and tenaciousness required for survival. This was a noticeable theme. The film I haven't read the book but there is always something incredible about an adaptation. Although for some to have read the book ruins the film and vice versa for me the depth of the universe created by an author creates a rich landscape for a film. That always captivates my imagination. You really feel immersed in the lives of felix and Albert the cinematography really draws you in with epic wide shots that it would be a shame not to see on the big screen. So I would advise those who have not seen it yet to go and see it at the cinema rather than watching it at home there you go? Um, well thank you Lindsay for sending that in and also thank you for your message which was keep up the good work. So.

37:54.61
Brian Penn
Excellent, Very good review. Yeah. Oh if I'm fantastic.

38:05.90
ukfilmreview
Is much appreciated. Um, yeah, so Lindsay's obviously's done our job for us so we can move on. Yeah, but no I think um obviously it was ah an osal winner for um, what was your screen 1 best this foreign language film and.

38:08.84
Brian Penn
Yeah I gotta say we can forget it? Well, what's next.

38:19.13
Brian Penn
Best foreign language. So.

38:24.51
ukfilmreview
You know, ah some others as well. It is absolutely epic Brian Give us a little bit extra in terms of what it's about and how you found about it.

38:33.26
Brian Penn
Yeah, um I think it's it is the definition of an epic movie isn't it. It's there's a certain amount of novelty value about any war movie that tells the story from the german perspective. Usually we get a war movie. It's told from the allied perspective. And it does have that Naty value that it tells a story through german aings and it it helps you appreciate that you know the loss that we all feel from war is felt on all sides that everyone suffers the people suffer at the hands of majors and generals and politicians. And it it does in some ways it almost doesn't it doesn't weigh with that kind of um concept of sort of borders and trenches. They're just people they're just human beings. Um, and this as linnsey pointsed out in the in her review. Based on a book. You've got that dilemma of. Do you read the book before the film or vice versa or do you do one or the other you always do something when you see a film and see a story portrayed on screen but this doesn't disappoint. It's an amazing piece of filmmaking absolute incredible. It really is when I was watching it I found myself comparing it to 1917 and I'm almost feel in some ways. It's it's got the edge on it as good as lighting 17 is as good as Sam Mendo is directing a movie like that.

39:53.47
ukfilmreview
Yeah, the emmy 2

40:08.62
Brian Penn
This kind of takes it one stage further the opening frames of that film this film. Ah, really obviously not going to give too much of it away for people that haven't seen it but the opening frames of this movie really sum up what war's all about how futile war is how pointless it is. And you feel nothing but empathy. You don't have any sense of sides and right and wrong. They're just people they're just people like this guy Felix is just another guy trying to get through the day just trying to live another day and survive and that's what you get from it that it. Portrays the human cost of war and it's the only what surprises me I thought there'd been many more remakes than this of all quiet on the western front. The ah the first film version was in 9030 and there was a Tv movie. And the late 70 s star in Martin Thomas but this is technically the first big screen Rema of all quiet and west of Rome which surprised me, but it's amazing and if you can get to see it on a big screen. Definitely go and see it because then you see the foot the fall. Um, going to say beauty beauty is probably not the right word but you you see the the brutality of war is so effectively portrayed. It's amazing.

41:30.78
ukfilmreview
I find sometimes when when we're given war films. There's always this question as to why now? Yeah, why are we watching? Ah ah this depiction and this story from that war or this war and.

41:37.24
Brian Penn
Are.

41:47.14
ukfilmreview
Ah, again, don't want to give much away. But I think it's important that we do raise the point from this film which is the futility of it and the fact that so many lives were lost over trying to gain a bit of ground just a bit of ground and it's a parallel obviously for what's going on in.

41:54.15
Brian Penn
M.

42:05.72
Brian Penn
Yeah, 3

42:05.73
ukfilmreview
But Ukraine and Russia the idea of someone encroaching on on a bit of land and or or trying or fighting over a peace sink and there's like for every minute or every 10 minutes that this battle carries on thousands and thousands of people was dying. Ah it was just ah.

42:14.92
Brian Penn
ME.

42:23.26
ukfilmreview
Very poignant once I made that connection I was like oh okay, that's why I'm watching this right now. That's why I'm watching this in 2023 and it's it's done and with a way that was up there with like saving private Ryan in terms of visuals and the scale of it.

42:26.17
Brian Penn
Um, yeah.

42:35.40
Brian Penn
Yeah.

42:41.33
ukfilmreview
Um, but it also had so much heart much like 1917 there was so much heart to it and ah the bit that I absolutely loved was the bit where they get the stolen goose. You know they go and steal the goose and they're eating it and it it reminded me of the scene in shawshank redemption where they're having the beers on top of the roof.

42:46.46
Brian Penn
Um.

42:50.81
Brian Penn
Yeah, the.

42:58.20
Brian Penn
Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

43:00.47
ukfilmreview
And I was like it's this little bit of comfort and almost freedom from all the rubbishness around them and it was things like that which obviously the film needed. But yeah by God is it bleak at other times other times there's bits where you just? yeah no I can't I can't watch.

43:06.29
Brian Penn
Yeah.

43:19.97
Brian Penn
Yeah I know I know.

43:20.12
ukfilmreview
Another person you know, go through tragedy but it just is relentless. It is absolutely relentless and harrowing throughout but absolutely spectacular at the same time.

43:29.76
Brian Penn
Ah I think really the there was no war if you look back right? back through history. There was no war quite like the first world war and they knew what they were doing when they said it was the great war because it was the great war and so far that any sense of sense of logic just disappeared. Why. Digging to trenches like that. Why sacrifice sounds as a men just to gain a few yards that form of warfare tactics has never been tried before or since what on earth possessed them to say right? We're going to dig in. We're going to just go over the top force of numbers. That's the way to win a battle and I think when you're talking about war and the the true meaning of war and the human cost of war. We will always come back to the great war the first world war that's the common reference point how senseless and brutal it all is. I mean second world war is bad enough but you you sense that where it's it's got. It's got to rest on the great war because all sense of logic and humanity disappeared you know and there was fought on all sites as well. You know you don't you you realize that these. Is right? and wrong. There's fought on on all sides but the end of the day war is war. But yeah, you're right, there is a resonance even now because of what's happening in the Ukraine I mean how many how many years have we had since the end of the second world war that hasn't featured a war of some description a local war.

45:00.88
ukfilmreview
L.

45:03.50
Brian Penn
Some description so it's still relevant. You know about why we make war but amazing film is but is bleak. It's depressing but sometimes you need to watch these things you know.

45:13.62
ukfilmreview
Yeah, that's yeah, all part of it I think it depends on what you're in the mood for um and you made the recommendation for this Actually this was your choice I think for this month and I thought yeah like great I'm gonna make time for this I'm gonna so watch it and and when it started I was like.

45:23.82
Brian Penn
Yeah, and.

45:32.60
ukfilmreview
Am I in the right mood for this I was like yep you know I am and I went I watching in 2 parts you you know me can't get for but 2 is not bad for me and even so though coming back to it the next day even though it's bleak I wasn't like oh god right? I got I'll go and sit through this now it was.

45:32.22
Brian Penn
Yeah I don't yeah oh yeah, right.

45:48.10
ukfilmreview
I Can't wait to get back there because it is just so compelling and it is so gripping and you want to just be with these characters even though they're going through hell literal Hell it's like and the bit with the flamerowers. Oh gosh it was just yeah I'm not going to go into it because I think oh.

45:49.77
Brian Penn
There? yeah.

45:59.73
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, and yeah, but I mean you the thing is you you wrote for them. What I I look for it in any film is whether the characters are likable or they're horrible. They're nasty or they're vicious.

46:05.60
ukfilmreview
Bomb everyone out, but.

46:19.10
Brian Penn
Ah, sadistic. You know any you know you can give a character some redeeming features and in some way whether they're good guys are bad guys or in different guys you know in the middle you still find yourself rooting for 1 or the other you know and that's a sign of great filmmaking and you root for these characters you you want them to survive you want them to skip through the day. You want something positive to happen to them or you want some kind of resolution. It's making they're making you care about the characters and yeah, yeah, is bleak. It's depressing. But you know we're surrounded by wall. You know you you pick up a newspaper you turn on the news. You know you see. You hear these sounds sort of some form of of conflict somewhere. So. It's not like you can really escape it It's just telling you what's already out there.

47:07.73
ukfilmreview
And this is out there on Netflix so no excuses for anyone not to watch it unless you don't have Netflix although I think it is also in a couple of cinemas so hey look out for it. So um, yeah, all quite on the western front.

47:16.60
Brian Penn
Yeah, it still. It's still yeah, it's still around in some but yeah.

47:24.79
ukfilmreview
We're moving now to our indie picks. Um and well I'm not sure how indy this film was but it certainly was off. Anyone's radar. Thank you to rich Johnston on um, Twitter for suggesting this to me. It's on Amazon it's called the show. And it's directed by Mitch Jenkins now we're moving genres quite rapidly here from you know a foreign language war film to a more modern fantasy mystery um very bizarre film. Did you get a chance to watch the show.

47:59.71
Brian Penn
No I haven't actually I've had a chance to see that. Yeah.

48:04.62
ukfilmreview
So this will be for me then so um, it's written by Alan Moore and director Bowmitch Jenkins you've got this character who is a very shady character. Um called fletcher and he's. Turned up in a town trying to look for this stolen artifact. It's like a necklace um and the person that he thinks it's on is then winds up dead found dead but the the piece is missing so he then spends his time.

48:34.60
Brian Penn
Ah, M m.

48:39.21
ukfilmreview
Ah, trying to find and locate this mysterious piece. He's being hired by someone from London to do this and he comes across various odd bull characters and unusual situations and in a world kind of was so haunted town basically is what it's referred to as where you've got these.

48:54.83
Brian Penn
The.

48:58.92
ukfilmreview
Strange ah strange things going on everywhere. It's an absolutely bizarre watch it really is. It's It's incredibly eclectic. You've got things all over the place. Um shout out to you that the the cast and crew here because they are fantastic.

49:03.86
Brian Penn
Yeah.

49:17.50
ukfilmreview
Really does a lot with so many characters. Um Tom Burke plays the the lead character Fletcher. Yeah, he's excellent. He's so good and yeah, it had that kind of feeling we watched a couple of films similar to this in the festival last year where.

49:19.37
Brian Penn
Me I like some but some but's good there.

49:36.42
Brian Penn
Ah.

49:37.60
ukfilmreview
Everything was not quite right. It had like a nightmarish feel to it. Everyone's not necessarily who they say they are and there'll be sort of odd comments and you're just you you always feel uneasy. You're always feeling like something is odd going on in this town.

49:52.60
Brian Penn
And.

49:54.90
ukfilmreview
And as he uncovers more and more it gets weirder and weirder. Um, yeah, it's just a very intriguing interesting film. Um, very different to the sort of movies that you might pick up and.

50:00.36
Brian Penn
Yeah.

50:07.90
ukfilmreview
I found it very hard to find I must say it was kind of absolutely buried in Amazon because you try and search for a film called the show and you don't get you don't get the film you want.

50:13.40
Brian Penn
Yeah, it yeah, the search for 30 is not great. Is it at times it does take your while particularly where you've got the alphabetical matrix and you're trying to sort of navigate your way around it and they they're not easy to find. Yeah, all right.

50:26.50
ukfilmreview
Yeah, the way the way to find it is put in the director's name Mitch Jenkins that's how I found it? Yeah, that's but that's obviously if you know who directed it. So um, yeah, it's on. It's actually on free v so you kind of have to watch it with.

50:31.91
Brian Penn
Okay, yeah, yeah.

50:40.20
ukfilmreview
Ads but I believe that means you don't need an Amazon prime subscription. So anyone can watch it. You just watch it with ads. Um, and yeah I found it very interesting, really? um, well filmed lots of dark and odd and strange bits. There's a particularly brilliant bit. Um. Where this is a bit of a spoiler so apologies Brian you're going to just hear it. But anyone else you know, just just skip a minute but she he's talking to this woman who he ends up kind of working on the case with and she says you're a hitman and he goes we prefer exit technician.

51:02.15
Brian Penn
I saw I go Yeah cool. Yeah.

51:16.80
Brian Penn
Well I like it. Yeah, um, you know when I find it I think I will like this. It's got something about it is that it's something odd and bizarre and strange aboutce it. But um.

51:18.30
ukfilmreview
It was a absolutely brilliant line. Um.

51:25.63
ukfilmreview
And I would say yeah again much like all the films we've discussed you got be in the right mood. You know it is is coming at you from complete left field and if you don't if you're not on board with the bizarreness of it then you're probably not going to enjoy it. It doesn't have a great overall rating on Imdb it's got.

51:31.25
Brian Penn
Yeah.

51:45.44
ukfilmreview
Ah, 5.7 I think that's harsh I think this is a ah good solid 4 star film therefore an 8 but to to each their own and I do think when it comes to things where you're doing say dark comedy which this is even though it's the other genres as well. Dark comedy is often quite um, alienating I think I don't think everyone's.

51:50.10
Brian Penn
There. Ah.

51:55.25
Brian Penn
Here.

52:04.88
ukfilmreview
Cup of tea is is dark comedy. So.

52:05.42
Brian Penn
Yeah I thought let's let's be absolutely honest about this I think all films are mood type films. You have to be in the mood for a certain type of film. You know we just been talking about all quiet on the western front. You have to be in a certain frame of mind to watch a film ah same thing with a rom com. Same thing with an action movie. You've got to be in that frame of mind and this film is ah is a is a a heavily moodbased film isn't it. You've got to be. You know it could be the type of film that I'd come on on a Friday night after having a few bears. Oh yeah, watch that you know that is thing. Yeah.

52:37.88
ukfilmreview
That is a good time to watch you actually.

52:41.81
Brian Penn
That's probably probably the the the opportunity I would take to watch a film like this if I could find it um direct Sir is name right? Yeah yeah.

52:48.33
ukfilmreview
If you can find it you got to remember the direct name. Everyone Mitch Jenkins or yeah search for um, yeah, Tom Burke or anything like that. So yeah, you can find it or go to Imdb. And if you do it in the show and imdb. It's a bit easier to find because they have a link to it because it's owned by Amazon anyway I umdb they have a link to the freebie bit where you can watch it so there's no excuses really everyone should watch it. Um and let us know what you think um, that was the show.

53:03.60
Brian Penn
All right? okay.

53:09.68
Brian Penn
Now.

53:16.81
ukfilmreview
We have another indie pick and this is a short film called souls um, you watch this one Brian you you you dis in all the indie films this month like you didn't care. You're too busy hanging out with Lilly James and I see what you're like I see what you're like um now.

53:21.60
Brian Penn
No no afraid. Not yeah sorry I wish.

53:35.32
ukfilmreview
This is written by Dan Gage and directed by him and who has written and we've reviewed a few of gauge's filmed on the site. Um, but it's an interesting piece. It's it's available on you film channel. So if you touch.

53:40.84
Brian Penn
Yeah rings bow. Yeah.

53:50.42
ukfilmreview
Type in Uk film child dot code k and search for souls in the site you'll find it. It's free to watch. You don't need any kind of subscription because he's put it on Vimeo I think it is and it's embedded into the website and it basically is this is character on this cliff or like a mountain peak and he's gone up there to.

54:08.32
Brian Penn
Um.

54:09.96
ukfilmreview
Um, scatter someone's ashes and when he does that there's someone there sat there sort of having a picnic. Um, and yeah, so he's got this person 1 person's not sitting there. 1 person's about to jump off the edge.

54:10.99
Brian Penn
Right.

54:19.70
Brian Penn
Yeah Er enough.

54:27.50
ukfilmreview
And they have this awkward kind of standoff where they' sort of looking at each other and Paul Barber and Paul Kazar I think is how you pronounce it the the two actors and it's got a get similar to the film before but it's got that sort of quintessential unusualness that you so I think this is a very. Strange situation and well worth making a film about and um Hannah Sayer reviewed it years ago on our website and back in 2018 so it's it's ah it's a bit of an older film. Um, and it's got ah lgb 2 plus kind of connections and vibes and.

54:44.82
Brian Penn
M.

54:53.80
Brian Penn
Wow! Yeah, yeah.

55:02.32
ukfilmreview
Only 8 minutes so it's not really a long. Ah yeah, bit a bit your month take them. Yeah, all over, um, it even has a thirty second trailer which always makes you laugh and you got your short films so they've also got tradelas. It's like gosh how how much less can we have? um, but.

55:06.60
Brian Penn
You just got settled down. Um, you got your your popcor your your burger to hand and it's all over.

55:14.63
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah I.

55:21.88
ukfilmreview
Yeah, it's just an interesting watch I Just found it. Um it it looks great. That's what I always enjoy when you do watch a short film because sometimes they're made on like incredibly small budgets and you're like okay, the quality's already off but actually with souls. It wasn't it was. There's a really good quality. Great location. Um, yeah, this use of this mountain peak And yeah, not.

55:34.84
Brian Penn
And.

55:41.50
ukfilmreview
And don't think it's any dialogue and it's it's all nonverbal. It kind of just looks and gestures and things and yeah, really powerful stuff. Um, great. Exactly.

55:44.12
Brian Penn
Yeah, but no, no language barriers then as Well. You know if if there's there's no dialogue then no language barriers it it can you know it can work ah across all frontiers or countries. You know? Yeah I Think if you can. Make a film within that short timef frame and you can do away with dialogue and still tell a story or make a story complete enough to for you to gain that ah a view an idea of what's going on then it's that's quite a skill.

56:17.95
ukfilmreview
Go so yeah, check it out if you can um, go to Uk from channel is a link there and you'll get to find it and let's know what you thought because it's only 8 minutes and it's free. So you've actually got no excuse everyone even you Brian even you.

56:29.45
Brian Penn
I Know even me yeah I know I'm sorry yeah.

56:35.63
ukfilmreview
Right now this next film we're heading back into our nostalgia pick and I know you've seen this because you picked it and I hadn't I hadn't seen it did would you believe I had not seen this.

56:39.46
Brian Penn
Yeah I do it? yeah.

56:47.99
Brian Penn
Um, well I was going to say I'm amazed but in some ways you know there are so many films out there that get not buried but they just get forgotten overlooked particularly where the actors that are involved directors that are involved move on to bigger things. You know I think this is an example of a hidden gem.

57:08.14
ukfilmreview
Absolutely and weirdly enough that you say I obviously surprised I'm not seeing it because my parents had it on vie chess it was there. It was there for the watching I Just never watched it. It wasnt eighteen to be fair. So I wouldn't necessarily watched that when I grew up I did watch eighteens. But.

57:15.46
Brian Penn
Oh.

57:21.24
Brian Penn
And yeah.

57:26.98
ukfilmreview
Um, and we should probably let everyone know what the film is cold primal fear primal fear Richard gear that sounds like cockney rymings line doesn't it. Yeah.

57:32.21
Brian Penn
Primal fear it's called, but it does a bit doesn't it. Yeah I should know all about that shouldn I maybe maybe there's something suburbinal going on at the back of my head. You know it's it's cotney ry is saying but i. What? what? I like about this film really is that it's a courtroom jar drama anyway, so you've got an inbuilt tension. That's there anyway that I love I like Richard Geer I think he's got that kind of arrogance and cockiness. But. Likeability all rolled into one I think there are very few actors that can be arrogant and likable at the same time I always believe you you can either be 1 or the other you could be arrogant or likable but you can do both and Richard gear seems to gravitate tools. Characters that are like that whether he makes them that way or whether they're written for him that way I don't know but he always seems to have that kind of mix that balance and Laura Linney plays the um, the prosecutor Richard Gears the hotshot lawyer who's defending Edward Norton and his first film role is his breakthrough role as the also boy accused of murdering the catholic bishop and to all intents and purposes. He looks Guiltyy but Richard Geer's character is his interest is peaks by.

59:01.79
Brian Penn
By the case, it appeals to his sense of ah again arrogance to think that he could take this case on and win it and prove that he was innocent or establish reasonable doubt and Laura Liny obviously it formerly a character so in a relationship with Richard Gear formerly in the film is always the way isn't it. Ah, they've always got something going on there. So there's ah, there's a fair amount of sexual chemistry going on there. Ah Richard Ges character is called Martin Vale laura liny' character character is Janet venable and that's the kind of the protagonist. The antagonist. Going back and forth politics are thrown into the mix as well. It's a great watch I think it is a great watch and as I think you pointed out to me in a previous conversation chris the the judge always seems to have a glass of. What what appears to be whisy in ah in a hand I think it could be iced tea. So.

01:00:02.29
ukfilmreview
No no Brian she's drinking it out of this Tumblr and it is like the way she's drinking it as well. That's not how you drink guys tea and it's but why don't I don't ah they they talk about this like the whole um sexualization of alcohol in.

01:00:07.77
Brian Penn
This.

01:00:14.10
Brian Penn
E.

01:00:16.55
ukfilmreview
In film and Tv the idea that yeah, they'll sit there and they'll sip and it will just look kind of really really cool. She's drinking in between the case, it's not like oh she's finished for the day they're like having a break a recess to like figure out some of the documents or something and she just goes to. She just takes a swingling like wow.

01:00:22.83
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, Oh yeah. What? what.

01:00:36.80
ukfilmreview
Wow and it's not even like anyone's kind of gone all right like you know that that she's she's really Stern. There was no need for it. But she just did it and what I only like conclusion I came to was it was the 90 s you know and that's just what they did. You know.

01:00:41.72
Brian Penn
No.

01:00:47.70
Brian Penn
Yeah, it could be that yeah it could be like it could also be that it was written into her contracts that she that she had a glass of whiskey in her hand all the time you know, but I didn't notice it until you mentioned it though when I watched it I Thought yeah you're right, she even when they were in recessing chambers.

01:00:55.85
ukfilmreview
Ah, good.

01:01:07.22
Brian Penn
You know as you just said she had a glass of whiskey in her hand it? Yeah oh yeah, why not? yeah yeah, definitely but a very intelligent. Well-paced film and as say.

01:01:07.33
ukfilmreview
Yep. Just how how to do it and I just thought do you know what more power to you go for it. You know.

01:01:25.24
Brian Penn
Full of actors I really like Richard Geer Laura Linney Edward Norton and there there is sort but there are moments of humor there you know coming back to the the the arrogance of Martin Vale where ah she turns to him they're arguing. They're bickering about the yeah.

01:01:43.11
Brian Penn
Finer soundss of the case in ah in a bar afterwards and he raised the fifth amendment in order not supply a enter a defense and she says him that that fifth amendment plea you raised it. It was brilliant and he comes back and he says yeah it was good. Wasn't it absolutely it was do you know there's that kind of.

01:01:46.61
ukfilmreview
At.

01:02:01.32
Brian Penn
Yeah I'm cocky but you know I'm not so that serious about it. Um, what did you think of it.

01:02:05.53
ukfilmreview
I Really enjoyed it. This is my kind of film because it's why we call pre-mobile phone usage even though they do have mobile space. It's It's not the way that is now it's where you know serious dramas can happen and what I thought was great about it.

01:02:15.49
Brian Penn
There there.

01:02:23.42
ukfilmreview
Exactly we're talking there about this kind of character where he is on the borderline of being cocky and arrogant because there's a bit where him and his like legal help who I think did used to be a cop to be fair, they go and chase one of the people involved in the case like they search him down and.

01:02:37.00
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, and I and I yeah and I and I and I.

01:02:40.93
ukfilmreview
They they like man. Yeah, this is like this high paid hot shot lawyer and he's like manhandling this guy in some kind of crack den's like yeah okay, only in the 90 s would this be okay, yeah, this is fine. Yeah, but now I did like it and i.

01:02:53.00
Brian Penn
Yeah, very handson all very handsome I don't mind getting my hands dirt.

01:02:59.16
ukfilmreview
Yeah I think it's because it it it blends like multiple genres really? Well, you've got the kind of murder actually stuff you've got the obviously the courtroom stuff but you do have this sense of comedy. You have this sense of he's trying to figure out the case but he's doing so in his kind of way that.

01:03:02.45
Brian Penn
M.

01:03:17.57
Brian Penn
M.

01:03:18.54
ukfilmreview
Creates a lot of friction with everybody else and obviously seeing Laura Liny's character's reaction. All the time is great like she just she knows that he's going to try whatever he can to to pull the rug from under them. Um, and Ed Norton I definitely don't want to give away spoilers. But what a great performance.

01:03:25.59
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

01:03:36.60
ukfilmreview
When you think about it when you think about afterwards you go ah what a great performance. So um and sad i's got Johnhoney and as well. Um place the ah the chief of police I think and he's he's really good. Um, yet she she rocked up and I was like you're just everyone's in this. Yeah it was just great.

01:03:36.65
Brian Penn
It's amazing. Wasn't it. Yeah yeah I know.

01:03:45.16
Brian Penn
Yeah, a nice a nice cameo from Francis Mcdomand as well as Molly ah I know yeah.

01:03:56.51
ukfilmreview
Yeah now I did I really enjoyed it and it's got that feel of a film that even though it is now you know coming up thirty years old um still holds up.

01:04:03.98
Brian Penn
Um, it doesn't feel that old do to me you know I mean Edward Norton's first film I mean that was the that was the the first film that was released the first film he actually made the the first film he starred in.

01:04:19.59
ukfilmreview
Yeah circuit.

01:04:19.97
Brian Penn
And wasn't he good in it as well. I'd known. Yeah, he was absolutely brilliant. He was spot on it and at times I almost felt that ah I sense that Richard Geer was actually quite shocked by the power of Norton's performance because the scenes they have 1 to 1 ah. Actually quite quite intense and at one point I thought I thought gear actually flinched when ah every Norton's character Aaron came at him. He almost sort of jumped. You know, almost felt that and that's where they kind of almost got a script because he almost wasn't expecting it. But they catch what was an authentic reaction I guess so you got all that going on on as well. So it's great I'm glad you enjoyed it? Um, yeah.

01:05:09.21
ukfilmreview
Yeah, thanks for getting it on the list of um for our nostalgia pick and it's available. Currently words when I watched it on Netflix. So yeah, anyone can um, can have a watch of that and yeah, um, please send us your thoughts if you've seen primal fear Richard gear.

01:05:16.93
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:05:27.20
ukfilmreview
You know a ah cockney r slang pick of the month and um, any of the other films that we've reviewed in this episode if you want to be involved with film podcast now go to youk from review dot code uk for slash podcast and there's a big old section. My Brian's mugs are on there. We got.

01:05:28.84
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:05:43.99
Brian Penn
M.

01:05:46.80
ukfilmreview
Section about the podcast and there's a button says send your review you can click send your review I'll be updating the site um to make sure we've got the list of films that we're going to watch. Um, we may not always know um the films because Brian gets sent some screeners but also he goes to the cinema bless him. Um, and watches these so it can be what's available and and what he's able to get to.

01:06:09.90
Brian Penn
And ah yeah I'll be I think I'll be watching loads of films with numbers in next month because there's John Wick four and there's deadpool three so that that will definitely be be there.

01:06:16.50
ukfilmreview
Oh okay, Okay, well there you go guys? are you know and and girls and folks and everyone in between those will be on ah potentially on the list and we will also update on the streaming release and the nostalgia pick and a couple of the indie films.

01:06:23.60
Brian Penn
And.

01:06:36.15
ukfilmreview
That we're going to review.

01:06:36.69
Brian Penn
Ah, and I will also remember to review the indie features next time.

01:06:39.26
ukfilmreview
Well at least I had you coverage you know and between the 2 of us we got. We got every it would have been a more awkward if we both went now I didn't watch.

01:06:46.39
Brian Penn
Yeah, and I and I and I we we kind of work as a team. Don't we bit of attack team. You know your strength my weakness and vice Subversa and all that but I will I will promise not to forget next time to remember? Don't forget to remember oh you know that? yeah.

01:06:51.11
ukfilmreview
Here.

01:06:58.99
ukfilmreview
Now. Well you don't forget to remember? yeah you are you are forgiven Baran bless you? And yeah, so that's it for this episode. Um, please do check out the website four slash podcast so that you can get involved if you want to.

01:07:04.80
Brian Penn
Thank you.

01:07:14.33
ukfilmreview
Also if you're a filmmaker and you want us to review your film in the indie section. Ah probably best just to tweet me which is at uk film review or at Chris underscore Underscore Olson which was not the best username I appreciate yeah if Chris Olson with just one underscore is listening.

01:07:27.49
Brian Penn
Underscore Underscore Also are you sure.

01:07:33.30
ukfilmreview
Give it up. Give it up now. How dare you um now. Yeah well I I went double I doubled up and I've felt better ever since? yeah.

01:07:33.39
Brian Penn
Yeah, but look yeah let him have it let this Chris have it. You know that's quite cool I mean 2 underscores like I mean I've only got 1 underscore in my and my or trust you show off you? yeah.

01:07:50.43
ukfilmreview
Um, but yeah, thank you everyone for listening. Thank you everyone who submit films or to the pr people who gave us access to films and to no one who sent any drinks or snacks me and Brian are waiting heavily to be endorsed. You know we want endorsement. We want snacks. Um, so if you have some of those send them.

01:08:00.90
Brian Penn
And I was starving. Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely bye for now.

01:08:09.28
ukfilmreview
Please And until next until next time we'll see you again.