Twisters - Fly Me to the Moon - A Quiet Place Day One - UK Film Club - Episode 17

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ukfilmreview
it's ah It's another beautiful summer's eve when we record this.

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Brian Penn
Yeah, it is.

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ukfilmreview
ah But how are you now? Because last time recorded you weren't too good.

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Brian Penn
I know, I know I'm a lot better now. I'm fully, I feel water fully ventilated, you know, I'm, I can breathe more easily. It's amazing what, what difference a four weeks makes.

00:19.39
ukfilmreview
I know, I see you at these little intervals and I sort of yeah get a kind of picture of your overall health.

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Brian Penn
and the

00:25.39
Brian Penn
Well, yeah, I know, I know this could be, we could start on something new here, couldn't we? This four weekly check. How do you sound? You know, you know, but no,

00:31.46
ukfilmreview
yeah like five fabulous um yeah no good good stuff yeah yeah funny enough i i'm not that well so i think i got it from you i think you passed it through the mic somehow last uh last time

00:33.32
Brian Penn
Over the worst, you know, the cold's gone a bit, such a fight for you, but I can cope with that. But as I say, I feel, I feel fully ventilated and I can breathe. It's brilliant. Magical. Yeah. Yeah. How are you? How are you? Oh, you're so narrow, is it?

00:56.64
Brian Penn
You don't realize how dangerous it is, do you? These podcasts, you don't know you don't know what could be done.

00:58.92
ukfilmreview
and Yeah, no, it's definitely my my daughters. They're the ones giving it to me.

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Brian Penn
I don't know, I've got to blame someone haven't you really?

01:04.48
ukfilmreview
They're these theyre the culprits. um Yeah, and I blame them them for everything, really. bless um Yeah, no, I'm generally fine.

01:11.44
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:12.39
ukfilmreview
You will hear me coughing and spluttering a little bit through this, so apologies.

01:15.00
Brian Penn
There enough.

01:16.67
ukfilmreview
um But yeah, it it's it's just part and parcel, I think. And also, yeah, you said about the hay fever.

01:22.64
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:22.72
ukfilmreview
i' I've never really suffered from it. I've got asthma.

01:26.41
Brian Penn
Oh, it's starting to, yeah.

01:26.45
ukfilmreview
But um this year, oh, it's been terrible.

01:31.23
Brian Penn
Yeah, it's not entirely different. I suppose the symptoms are similar. aren't i I mean, you can, you can be sort of congested and watering eyes and running nose is short breath. So the symptoms are similar, I guess, but it's all a kind of a little belongs to the same family of elements.

01:48.52
ukfilmreview
they do and yes it's it's it's been hard on people this summer but hopefully moving into the you know when the schools are breaking up it's the summer holidays gonna be some blockbusters dare we say heading to the big screens I mean we've got a couple on the list tonight to review um so yeah let's let's just crack on let's

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Brian Penn
Well, that slopes though, yeah. We have, yeah.

02:11.75
Brian Penn
All right then.

02:13.18
ukfilmreview
Let's get right right into it. So if this is your first time to UK Film Club, ah welcome. This is this is it. This is me and Brian with our our microphones and our coughs and colds. But no, we will be reviewing a whole selection of movies. We've got cinematic releases, some big movies today actually. And we've got some indie films to review. So those are ones that filmmakers have sent us specifically to review. And we've got a very special sort of connection film ah in this episode because we're going to be doing a what's what normally our streaming pic but we're also going to be doing a connected ah look back at nostalgia film because we're doing the Beverly Hills cops movies um and yeah so that's coming up later in the show and also right at the end of the show and I will also be reading out some of the listener reviews

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Brian Penn
Wait.

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ukfilmreview
and We had a lot this month, so I am segmenting that to its own section.

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Brian Penn
Wow.

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ukfilmreview
um Thank you to everyone who does send in their reviews. They're amazing. um Covering a massive um variety of movies. That's what I really like.

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Brian Penn
um

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ukfilmreview
So I'm going to save those to the end. um But first and foremost, we are heading to the big screen for the cinematic releases. And this one's got some fabulous stars in it. Fly me to the moon, Brian.

03:31.14
Brian Penn
Oh, yes, yes. Okay, then. Fly Me to the Moon, directed by Greg Berlancy, starring Scott Johansson, Channing Taysom and Woody Harrelson. So the story plants itself firmly in the 1960s. NASA is cranking up to the launch of Apollo 11. in 1969. Flight director Cole Davis is frantically fighting fires, but still haunted by the memory of three astronauts who perished when Apollo 1 was being tested. Slippery government agent Mo Berkus must sell the mission to a skeptical American public. So Berkus turns to Kelly Jones, a marketing whiz kid with a dubious past. She soon puts the mission on everyone's lips. However, Kelly and Cole clash as liftoff approaches. Now, Scarlett Johansson

04:18.14
Brian Penn
for me stills the film with a very strong portrayal of Kelly Jones sold very much like Marilyn Monroe and looks amazing as the camera instantly falls in love with her. Channing Satan is a straight man, earnest, Lance and George, all American boy, inevitably drawn to Kelly's charms. Woody Harrison delivers a useful term as a duplicitous government agent. And as to the storyline's comedic value, the film itself builds on the established facts of Apollo 11. but also as one of two conspiracy theories that mix nicely with the truth.

04:51.09
Brian Penn
A brilliant soundtrack complements a visual palette of colors to create a handsome looking film. I really enjoyed this.

04:58.18
ukfilmreview
yeah

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Brian Penn
um Yeah, very good film. It actually feels like it was made in the 1960s.

05:03.62
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

05:03.73
Brian Penn
And that's one of its strengths. A stylish, slick and well-designed film, very old fashioned. No swearing, no violence, no special effects to speak of. And because of that, That's the film of the month for me.

05:18.34
ukfilmreview
Oh, wow. Straight at the top of the show.

05:19.20
Brian Penn
Yeah.

05:20.78
ukfilmreview
We've got film.

05:20.83
Brian Penn
Straight at the top of the show.

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ukfilmreview
in the Wow.

05:21.85
Brian Penn
Yeah, I think it's a film of the month. Depends what you're really looking for, but it's just such a lovely film to look at. You know, it doesn't demand too much of you. I suppose it affects what some critics might call faction, a mixture of facts and fiction, because it does sort of take the mic a little bit out of the conspiracies that surround the Apollo 11 mission.

05:40.50
ukfilmreview
you.

05:45.74
Brian Penn
Which is, it's done to comedic effects, you know? So I won't go too much away, but it does kind of build on that. And it does it does give you a kind of ah a sense of, well, what if this happened? What if this was really what was driving it? And I liked it. I really, really liked it a lot. If you're a fan of the 1960s, you're a fan of 1960s music, um this this is a film for you to go and see. and it's I don't think there are many films that I'd say go out and see at the cinema, but this one I would, definitely.

06:19.13
ukfilmreview
Wow, I mean, ah because going into this, listeners, i I have the list of films that Brian is going to attempt to see. And I'm always kind of thinking, Oh, which one's he gonna pick as his film? in the I wouldn't have said this just based on the, um but I suppose the other films that we're going to review are

06:32.55
Brian Penn
Yeah.

06:37.20
ukfilmreview
in Brian's category of sequels so maybe there's something in that but I like the idea of this and I also I think this is quite rich territory right we've had a few films in this sort of era I remember Hidden Figures coming out a few years back that was really good um and yeah I think this sort of is also playing into the modern era that we live in right now but like you say with the conspiracy theories thing where

06:40.88
Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah

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Brian Penn
yeah and

07:04.97
ukfilmreview
You know, things take a grip. People start to you know question the moon landing and question these things and all these stuff where they sort of go.

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Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

07:11.53
ukfilmreview
Oh, is that is that real? Is it, you know, I've been lied to and you we live in an information age, but actually we live in probably one of the worst for the truth, unfortunately.

07:13.71
Brian Penn
Yeah. I know. Yeah.

07:20.61
ukfilmreview
So, um yeah, it's an interesting um concept. And you've got these big stars as well.

07:25.51
Brian Penn
ah It's very, I mean, I think the it's release was very low key. I don't think it, it got the sort of attention that say Twisters got, for example. Um, but in some ways that, you know, that like allows it to sort of grow steadily, that when there's a lot of hype surrounding a film, um, it can sometimes be a bit of a letdown and it's not what you think it's going to be. But this is a pleasant surprise and it did surprise me. It surprised me out. how good it was, how funny it was in places. And it's just visually, it's a lovely looking film. You know, it just looks so stylish and so neat and cool. You think the 60s was such a stylish period, a stylish era that we get so much of what we've got today started in the 1960s. You know, that was the beginning of the modern world, in my opinion. So this film kind of represents that era very well. And it came at the very end of the 60s as well in the Moon Landing. so

08:22.26
Brian Penn
It's a way of kind of topping, you know, the, the 1960s as well. So it does it really well.

08:28.87
ukfilmreview
Fabulous. There you go. Fly Me To The Moon is currently available in cinemas if you're listening as of release of this episode. And it's a 12A as well. So would you say it's sort of for for a you film for families that yeah with slightly the older kids?

08:38.43
Brian Penn
Yeah. ah Yeah. Yeah. I think it is. I mean, the, I think it was, I think it's billed as a 12 or a 12. I, um, So that's about right. I think it's one that's good for families. I think if they, the fact they're leaving it to the grownups to decide whether ah and under someone under 12 is able to see it or it's suitable for them, I think it is. I don't think there's anything particularly harmful there or that can corrupt or upset or alarm.

09:11.41
ukfilmreview
Oh yeah, we don't want those films that corrupt.

09:13.41
Brian Penn
Well, you know you well you know yeah, but that's that's what the rating system is there for, isn't it?

09:13.57
ukfilmreview
Those have got to look out for them.

09:19.19
ukfilmreview
Does it corrupt?

09:19.41
Brian Penn
know

09:20.39
ukfilmreview
Yes, sorry. oh

09:21.84
Brian Penn
you know but And again, that could that could be what a film has going for it more than anything else, you know?

09:25.76
ukfilmreview
Yeah. so Yeah.

09:26.49
Brian Penn
I mean, who knows?

09:27.12
ukfilmreview
Listeners, do send us in your films that have corrupted you. We want to know. Okay. What are they?

09:31.59
Brian Penn
Well, is it's not part of it, though.

09:31.71
ukfilmreview
um

09:33.35
Brian Penn
I mean, you look at the recent British film, a board classification set up, it was to guard public morals. And that is still in its remits, actually. Although it might seem slightly academic now when you think of how we can access films, that it's not as powerful as it used to be. but I think it's interesting just to look at the way they grade films and what's, what's behind it, what's driving it. It's interesting stuff.

09:59.14
ukfilmreview
Well, I think this next film is unlikely to corrupt, but let's find out. Maybe it does. um You mentioned it actually just previously. So Twisters, the the sequel to Twister, which was a fabulous film.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

10:11.42
ukfilmreview
I and i really enjoyed that film.

10:12.63
Brian Penn
Yeah.

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ukfilmreview
in Really good.

10:12.95
Brian Penn
Yeah. I like the original. Yeah. Very much so.

10:16.71
ukfilmreview
Yeah, i'd go for it.

10:17.09
Brian Penn
So, so directed by Lee Isaac Chung. Starring Daisia Kajonez, Glenn Powell, and Anthony Ramos. So Kate Cooper is a meteorologist haunted by the past. Aren't they always? The former storm chaser now works for a TV company. However, an old friend Javi persuades her to test the new storm tracking device. They travel to Oklahoma where scientists come up against Tyler Owens, a maverick storm chaser with 1 million YouTube followers. Now here's my quandary, Chris.

10:48.39
Brian Penn
Here's my quandary. Here's what I'm not sure about. Is it a sequel or is it a remake?

10:53.79
ukfilmreview
Ah.

10:53.87
Brian Penn
the publicity but The publicity blurb calls it a standalone sequel. Personally, I can't see how that works. The characters are different, but they follow a similar pattern to the original that Starr Bill Paxton and Owen Hunt. To me, this is a remake, or at least a partial remake. Now you might think I'm just sort of picking up bones here, but um I don't think you can call it a sequel in the conventional sense. um But look, it's exciting. The visuals are fantastic. The story is utterly predictable. you You can more or less say, right, this is gonna happen next.

11:25.83
Brian Penn
This is gonna happen next. And pretty much you'll be spot on, but it doesn't make it any less enjoyable. ah The storyline, yeah, as I said, utterly predictable, but comparing it to the original, I didn't detect a huge jump in the special effects.

11:41.20
ukfilmreview
Ah, interesting.

11:41.56
Brian Penn
I mean, yeah, now we're talking about a 28 year gap. But it doesn't feel like 28 years in terms of the way the special effects are put across on screen. Now it could be that whether we're CGI and special effects, we've reached a plus sign and we just don't notice it anymore. We just expect it to be at a certain level. I mean, I've got to be honest. I didn't see the film before I saw this one, but I mean, I've seen it a few times previously, the original, but it doesn't, I don't think that's a huge difference in the CGI. You think there would be, but anyway.

12:13.35
Brian Penn
ah That's just my my impression. But otherwise, great fun. It's a total hoot and it's well worth going to see.

12:21.27
ukfilmreview
There you go. I mean, i when I was watching a trailer, I felt something similar in terms of the aesthetic that they were going for felt similar to the original.

12:27.12
Brian Penn
Yeah.

12:29.57
ukfilmreview
And there is that confusion, you know, is is this a carry on? Is this just ah yeah ah but another version of the film? um And I guess I suppose, you know, enough time has passed is absolutely fine, you know, new audience to discover the story.

12:36.59
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah.

12:41.93
ukfilmreview
That's fine.

12:42.19
Brian Penn
ah yeah

12:43.13
ukfilmreview
i'm But the original was just one of those films that was fine. Perfect. You wouldn't really need to remake that film. It was very good.

12:51.24
Brian Penn
nine

12:51.96
ukfilmreview
It still holds up. um And like you say, if if the CGI hasn't really done anything new, then do we need this story? Do we need it?

12:58.69
Brian Penn
Yeah, well, yeah, I mean, look, you've got a very good class as well.

12:59.22
ukfilmreview
But I guess it's fine. You know, no reason not to have it.

13:04.57
Brian Penn
Daisy, I could Jones is very good. Her American accent is pretty damn good as well. I was quite impressed with that. Van Powell, he's flavor of the month, isn't he? I mean, he's in everything at the moment, isn't he?

13:13.67
ukfilmreview
We reviewed him in Hitman recently.

13:14.94
Brian Penn
Yeah, I know. And he he was very good in Hitman.

13:15.71
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

13:16.90
Brian Penn
He's very good in this as well. So it's all all the ingredients are there. But really, I prefer prefer single to plural, if you know what I mean.

13:30.14
ukfilmreview
Hehehe.

13:31.65
Brian Penn
um You know, I think that was the best film. It had a much bigger impact because it was the first time a film like this had been made. And You only get to be the first to do something like that once, don't you? You know, after that, it's just simply building on what's already been done, trying to explore it from different angles and try and use advances in CGI and special effects to make it better. But I didn't see that. That changed necessarily, but still very good.

14:02.45
ukfilmreview
There you go. Twisters are probably going to do good business. I think, you know, it's a big block blockbuster film.

14:09.13
Brian Penn
Yeah.

14:09.42
ukfilmreview
Lots of press. I've seen lots of things about it. So, yeah, I think it will stick around for a little while. So if you do do see Twisters, let us know what you think.

14:14.43
Brian Penn
Yeah. should Yeah.

14:17.43
ukfilmreview
um Actually, I don't know if someone did review it. No, no one sent one in for that film. They sent lots of other films in.

14:22.28
Brian Penn
Hmm.

14:24.29
ukfilmreview
Well, from one sequel or potential sequel to another, um my second ones are getting brilliant, by the way.

14:30.55
Brian Penn
and No, no, you're working hard on these, aren't you?

14:30.81
ukfilmreview
It's just seamless, seamless. Yeah, yeah that's that's all I do.

14:33.72
Brian Penn
I can sell.

14:34.85
ukfilmreview
or You do your whole review and all I do is think online to join the next film.

14:38.87
Brian Penn
You it very well.

14:38.92
ukfilmreview
i hope and Thank you.

14:39.95
Brian Penn
You're doing it well, Chris.

14:42.53
ukfilmreview
A Quiet Place, day one. Now, if any ah fans of the UK Film Review podcast i'm have already heard, the Phantom Zone episode. They've dedicated a whole episode to this film.

14:54.06
Brian Penn
Did I?

14:55.48
ukfilmreview
It did. And it was just um Ian and his partner. So I strongly, his partner, Simone's great. I strongly suggest suggest listening to that episode if you really do want to get into the nitty gritty.

15:03.50
Brian Penn
Oh,

15:07.56
ukfilmreview
It was, ah I think it was quite spoilerific, though. So only, yeah, only this if you if you have seen the film.

15:10.68
Brian Penn
was all right ah I to have a listen when I'm, when I'm ready.

15:14.31
ukfilmreview
umm

15:16.82
ukfilmreview
Yeah, but Brian, what did you think of A Quiet Place Day 1?

15:19.01
Brian Penn
Where did I think of a quiet place? They won. Okay. Directed by Michael, uh, Samosky starring, uh, now this is a difficult name, the pizza phone guy, Joseph Quinn and Alex Wolf.

15:30.24
ukfilmreview
yongo

15:32.82
Brian Penn
This is the third int installment of the franchise, which is technically the prequel to the story. Hence the day one subtitle. Samira is a familiar woman. dreams of one last day out in New York her carer reluctantly agrees but they are confronted by an invasion of alien creatures. The only way to avoid the their clutches is to remain completely slight silent amidst the chaos Samira strikes up a friendship with Eric. He's determined to give her the day she wants in spite of the danger. Now I've not seen the previous two films but not a problem here as it is the sequel so it's you're capturing the story at the beginning so you can get away with it I think in that way.

16:12.23
Brian Penn
It's a very good film. Authentic, frightening, gripping. It almost feels like a tribute to the great sci-fi movies. It's a bit like War of the Worlds, a bit like Aliens. It's like sci-fi is greatest hits. That's the the way it came across. Nothing wrong with that at all. Not a bad thing at all. All filmmakers have their influences. Probably more for fans and casual observers. But no denying the power of what you see on the screen. Particularly in the cinema when you've got Dolby surround it makes it even more frightening.

16:44.10
Brian Penn
And the reactions of the cast are perfect and spot on. A very well crafted piece. Very enjoyable. I liked it.

16:52.65
ukfilmreview
Oh yeah, it's definitely one on my list because I have seen the other two.

16:54.38
Brian Penn
Yeah.

16:55.21
ukfilmreview
I very much enjoyed, I think the first one is a sensational second one, really good.

16:55.52
Brian Penn
Yeah.

17:00.19
ukfilmreview
I've only seen it once so I will revisit that. um But with this one, I had a bit of a apprehension about it because it does feel like I think one of those movies that because the first one was this sort of unsuspecting unsuspecting blockbuster hit, they really didn't think it would do the business that it did, that we're still getting these sort of spin offs. That for me, it feels like it could be the sort of law of diminishing return a little bit. But yeah you coming at fresh is interesting because you don't have that ah expectation baggage that I will have.

17:30.67
Brian Penn
Yeah.

17:33.82
Brian Penn
Well, yeah, you see, that was what I deliberately did that because I toyed with the idea of seeing the two earlier films.

17:35.04
ukfilmreview
So yeah.

17:40.58
Brian Penn
But I thought, no, I'll just see it by itself, see how it kind of affects me, see what impression it makes on me.

17:46.51
ukfilmreview
yeah

17:46.80
Brian Penn
And I think it's better sort of viewing it by itself, but you appreciate it is one of the series and it is a common technique that filmmakers use is that, you know, they make a film, then they make the prequel, what came before the previous one. So you accept that's what it is. But you can do that with a prequel, because that supposedly is the beginning. And let's say make another one. And they have a prequel to the prequel.

18:10.77
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

18:11.58
Brian Penn
I mean, it's been done before, hasn't it really?

18:13.45
ukfilmreview
Pretty cool. Yeah.

18:14.94
Brian Penn
pre pre prequel. Yeah. But yeah, really good. I really enjoyed it. As to say that that the most safe sort of classic sci fi are there for me. I mean, I'm not, you know, I'm not a huge fan of sci fi. um I'm a mainstream film fan. I will go out and watch a big film because that's what I enjoy doing. And that's why we do this show, isn't it? That we see a complete cross section of films that are on general release, that are streaming, that nostalgia pick and also indie.

18:45.51
Brian Penn
So it gives you a broad overview of what's happening in films today. But as I say, I'm not, not a huge fan fan of the genre, but I enjoyed it. So that's,

18:55.25
ukfilmreview
Hm?

18:56.22
Brian Penn
You know, that's quite an achievement for me to honestly say a film like this I really enjoyed. Like this.

19:00.89
ukfilmreview
Fabulous. I mean, it's definitely on my list, as I said. And I do think the world is a rich one for them to sort of do these stories in.

19:07.68
Brian Penn
Hmm.

19:07.86
ukfilmreview
So I'm happy to to give it a yeah real good chance.

19:10.12
Brian Penn
Yeah.

19:10.72
ukfilmreview
um It is a 15, and it's in cinemas.

19:12.92
Brian Penn
Hmm.

19:13.32
ukfilmreview
So people listening, go see it if you are a fan of the genre of the previous films, or if you haven't even seen them, like Brian, because he's had a great time with it.

19:22.40
Brian Penn
Oh, yeah.

19:22.57
ukfilmreview
And you know you could too. And yeah that's our public service to you.

19:25.06
Brian Penn
Yeah.

19:27.24
ukfilmreview
And we don't charge yet.

19:28.71
Brian Penn
Yeah, well, that that's that's the kind of people we are, Chris, isn't it?

19:29.19
ukfilmreview
um That's the kind of people we are.

19:33.33
Brian Penn
Yeah.

19:33.55
ukfilmreview
um But yeah, those are your cinematic ah films for the month. So normally we would now move to our streaming pic, but we're going to save that for later because it is tied in with our nostalgia film.

19:44.01
Brian Penn
um Yeah.

19:46.18
ukfilmreview
So we're skipping now to the indie movies. I'm very happy to say we had three terrific movies to review this month. We're going to start with the feature length film written and directed by Al Padilla. um called Coney Island Cousins and funny enough booked as a as a comedy but I think there's there's a few genres at work here um but it is definitely comp comedic so the the storyline is we get two sisters ah sorry not sisters cousins obviously as the ah title suggests

20:11.29
Brian Penn
yeah

20:21.13
ukfilmreview
um honor they've They've not seen each other for a while, they're estranged. So they're meeting up for a night out and there are a lot of sort of hidden mystery between these two cousins as to what's gone on in the past and what's going on in their current lives right now.

20:31.46
Brian Penn
Hmm. Hmm. Yeah.

20:38.30
ukfilmreview
i'm But they try and sort of put that aside and and have a crazy night out and everything kind of turns a little bit weekend at Bernie's because um they they're at this party and the the sort of guy, the host,

20:43.34
Brian Penn
Mm-hmm

20:52.89
ukfilmreview
dies in one of the rooms and from there the pair sort of thrown into this evening of hijinks and you know crazy events the different characters turn up they do sort of venture out of the apartment and they do things because they have access to this guy's computer and he's very rich it seems and Yeah, we basically are given this one night with them to see what happens when they sort of completely let down their guard and throw yeah morals and caution to the wind.

21:24.78
Brian Penn
Yeah.

21:28.27
ukfilmreview
What did you think of Coney Island Cousins, Brian?

21:31.15
Brian Penn
Yeah, I really enjoyed it.

21:32.07
ukfilmreview
I thought it was great, yeah.

21:32.43
Brian Penn
I think it was really, yeah, I think it's really good fun. Characters are very strong and well drawn. And there's, you know, it's where you have characters at the beginning of a film that seem very one dimensional, very flat. but they're fleshed out. They become fully formed three-dimensional characters. The more you get into the film, you learn more about them. You learn more about Valeria, her relationship, hurt you her job, her lifestyle. And you also learn about Yulia, who's a stand-up comedian, which, you know, um many how many Russian women stand-up comedians standout comedian island andconio islander wonder um maybe there are Maybe there are a few.

22:05.59
ukfilmreview
Hehe.

22:06.96
Brian Penn
Maybe maybe I've yet and yet to learn learn of them. But, you know, they're very cleverly drawn cla characters the The plotting is really clever, because when they get into Max's flat, this very sort of dubious, extremely rich, mysterious character, it takes you off in a direction that but I didn't expect it to go. Again, but boom yeah my brain working in the way it does, I try and predict what happens next in the plot. And I thought I knew what was going to happen, but it didn't. And it goes off in a slightly different direction. So i liked I like films that surprise you and don't

22:44.68
Brian Penn
don't go for the obvious route. Cause you know, in a story, it can be obvious what's going to happen here. It can only go one way, but this was more, as I say, fleshed out the characters more, more of a backstory. Some interesting characters were thrown in as, as it went along. Um, very good.

23:01.51
ukfilmreview
I definitely picked up on that sense of it being yeah unpredictable, the characters growing as we were with them, because at the beginning of the sense that there was sort of like Val was the sort of maybe the more timid one or quiet one because she seemed a bit kind of off, like she'd been left waiting for her ride and she seemed a bit

23:07.85
Brian Penn
Yeah.

23:18.10
Brian Penn
Yeah.

23:20.93
ukfilmreview
And then it sort of turned and she became quite so volatile and reckless and almost sort of acting out. And there's a reason for that. I kind of don't want to give it away, but there's a reason why she does that.

23:29.03
Brian Penn
Yeah. ah That's all right.

23:30.65
ukfilmreview
And then, yeah, Yulia sort of acts conversely to that. And I love the chemistry between the two of them. I thought they were perfect. They played it absolutely spot on, which was these sort of estranged cousins, but they were joined by family and and previous ah history and all that stuff.

23:39.19
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well. Yeah, you you sense they come from a dysfunctional family. And let's face it, most families are dysfunctional in some way. That's what makes them family. And you learn more about them ah and the dynamics between the two of them and their their relatives and how they've grown up. And they were obviously very close as they were growing up, then they lost touch. Now they're back in touch again. And all the old sort of tensions rise to the surface, don't they? But it seems like they bond again. After having this righteous night out or a nice in as well.

24:17.77
Brian Penn
I guess, but um so it's quite touching the way the story develops. um So.

24:23.65
ukfilmreview
Oh, definitely.

24:23.73
Brian Penn
on Yeah.

24:24.25
ukfilmreview
Yeah. that That final third had a lot of like emotional heft to it. It was because, yeah, the beginning of the film, you're kind of thinking, where's this going? Like what's happening? um They're setting it all up, but they do it brilliantly.

24:33.31
Brian Penn
Yeah.

24:35.87
ukfilmreview
It actually gets set up very, very well for you to be very invested by the time things do get a little bit more like heavy themed.

24:37.69
Brian Penn
yeah

24:43.34
ukfilmreview
um Yeah, I love films where they unfold in sort of not this isn't real time, but it's quite close to real time. It's sort of one night, we basically go from one evening through to the sort of morning after.

24:50.71
Brian Penn
Yeah.

24:53.92
Brian Penn
Yeah.

24:55.51
ukfilmreview
And I love films like that, because it's condensed. It's like that is a story. That's a story that happened and you're already obviously made up. But Whereas ah yeah this could have played out over weeks and months and I think it would have lost that um that sort of dynamism.

25:05.86
Brian Penn
Yeah.

25:08.89
ukfilmreview
is over Oh, that feels really, really potent.

25:09.40
Brian Penn
and Yeah.

25:12.07
ukfilmreview
um And also I think there's this that sense of endurance because you're with them for this time and they are also yeah going on this, sort what we would call in the UK, a bender.

25:25.27
Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah

25:26.12
ukfilmreview
You're sort of saying, they they're They're struggling. know They've got to keep their momentum. They're having issues. And I think, yeah, it it just was very well put together. Great chemistry between the actresses, as I said. And I found it really enjoyable. I did i laughed at times.

25:41.14
Brian Penn
yeah

25:42.08
ukfilmreview
I was got i got so emotionally invested at times. I think that's all you can ask for in a film like this.

25:44.59
Brian Penn
hello yeah It's a film that takes you by surprise. I like films aren't predict but that that will do something that you're not expecting. and you know the best one in the world a lot of films are made according to a formula most films will follow a formula as we've discussed before it doesn't mean to say they're any less good but it's when they sort sort of think right we'll take it off in this direction we'll keep the audience on their toes we'll do we'll do this instead and it gives the characters more depth because people aren't that predictable are they?

26:18.42
ukfilmreview
Absolutely.

26:21.38
ukfilmreview
Coney Island Cousins, I'm very pleased to say it does have its own website. So Coney Island, as yeah as you might expect it from the place, cousins dot.com um and on there you'll have all the information that you need.

26:31.93
Brian Penn
Hmm.

26:34.08
ukfilmreview
I love it when this happens because quite often it doesn't happen. and I have to sort of try and signpost people but yeah if you are interested in that movie just google it um you'll find the website or if not go to the imdb page and they have a link for official website so yeah all the information is on there i don't think it is out yet um as far as i'm aware and there are some socials as well but yeah go to the website first and then you'll be able to go from there to where you want to go but yeah really enjoyed it excellent film

26:39.24
Brian Penn
Yeah.

26:49.41
Brian Penn
um

27:00.99
Brian Penn
Excellent.

27:04.25
ukfilmreview
um And that was Currently Ireland Cousins. We're going to our next indie film and this is a short film ah Patrick reviewed it on the website for us and we're directed by Farid Karan and starring Sushant Vasish apologies for pronunciation Sukhmani Lambe as well and Yeah um The setup of this film is we are given a couple at the beginning, Sahil and Magana, and there is some tension between them as he heads out, and it looks as if he's cheating on her, and he is, i'm and Magana decides to take her own life whilst he's out.

27:42.18
Brian Penn
Mm hmm.

27:48.51
ukfilmreview
So that's the sort of setup. And then we skip ahead about eight years, I think, and we then see Sahil struggling to deal with this situation and sorry eight months probably not eight years ah um struggling to deal with this situation at

28:01.92
Brian Penn
Yeah.

28:04.99
ukfilmreview
that he feels he's created. He feels responsible for her death, can't move on. He's tormented with memories that they've had. you know Little things will set him off. um Little bits that you maybe he's holding something or he's in a certain room.

28:21.42
Brian Penn
um Yeah.

28:23.12
ukfilmreview
and I think it's one bit where he's holding nail clippers. And that was really tense because I was like, oh God, what's he gonna do with those? so um And what happens is you as he gets more and more into this sort of tortured state,

28:28.33
Brian Penn
um

28:34.37
ukfilmreview
we then start to see Meg come back and yeah don't really terrify him in a sort of nightmarish way.

28:42.53
Brian Penn
Hmm. Yeah.

28:44.42
ukfilmreview
ah Very atmospheric, very dark and broody. What did you think of short film, Overshadow Brian?

28:50.20
Brian Penn
Well, well, dark and broody really sums up.

28:52.72
ukfilmreview
I've done it.

28:53.08
Brian Penn
I did. I found it very intense. But it's very strong emotions that come through that come through there. It's interesting the way they're focused on one of him cutting his his nails with clippers and then hers. And he was flashing back and it was flashing forwards again. it's It's very well acted and it identifies what can go wrong in a relationship and what the products of it can be, the fact that you you live with these errors and these mistakes, the fact that you didn't pick up on the signs and that, you know, what I got, yeah, what I got from the storyline as well was that he was cheating on her and that this three-way relationship came to a head, but it was it was very well written. It was well acted.

29:41.23
Brian Penn
but very darker and suspenseful, but you can't deny it's powerful and it works. But yeah, not, not the most comfortable watch because it is dealing with, with, with very dark issues. The dark side of life, but doesn't mean to say it's not good because it is.

29:54.49
ukfilmreview
yeah I think it's worth playing a clip. I have a clip, I'm very ah fortunate to say. So let's this play that just to give our listeners a little taste of what Overshadow is like.

30:02.42
Brian Penn
Lovely.

30:13.85
Brian Penn
you

30:59.74
ukfilmreview
So really interesting clip.

31:01.07
Brian Penn
hmm

31:01.48
ukfilmreview
So I wanted to play that specifically yeah when we start talking about this all.

31:04.79
Brian Penn
hmm

31:06.37
ukfilmreview
thematic depth of the film. um I think there's probably quite a lot of triggering ah aspects to this movie.

31:08.27
Brian Penn
hmm

31:14.20
ukfilmreview
There's subjects such as gaslighting, which come up, ah mental health.

31:14.45
Brian Penn
hmm hmm hmm hmm

31:18.56
ukfilmreview
I think Patrick in his review mentioned this quite a bit that you the film does really well to grapple with very large themes in ah in a and a genre that works with it as well.

31:23.09
Brian Penn
hmm hmm hmm

31:28.85
ukfilmreview
yeah This is a sort of ah horror thriller sort of piece that is suited to those tones and it was one of those movies where you're watching it and you can't not get invested because of the discourse going on and yeah I thought they did really well with it because it's ah it could have veered way too heavy into the horror stuff and really became a bit sort of you know about the ghouls and ghosts and things but that's not what this is at all it's more intelligent than that I did feel and I think Patrick mentioned this that there was an element of the story didn't quite know what to do with itself um in terms of where to go what to do with it like it it's bringing up lots of big things but ah maybe it didn't quite have a narrative that it wanted to also tell at the same time that

31:46.58
Brian Penn
Hmm. Hmm.

32:10.65
Brian Penn
Yeah. Hmm.

32:20.29
Brian Penn
yeah yeah yeah I agree I think it's dealing with a lot a lot of a lot of heavy issues there you know there are there are themes there that are far too complex to explore in any kind of detail when you've only got 10 minutes and it often come back to the same conclusion with short films is that

32:21.79
ukfilmreview
I felt that slightly as well um and that's not to say that it's not really enjoyable it's just that there's I think there was more that could have been done there to maybe tie things together a bit more bringing the characters sort of full circle almost.

32:50.67
Brian Penn
you've got such limited time really to to make the the characters and the story stick and be credible. And I think it does that just about, but when you when you said that it wasn't quite sure where to go and what to do with itself, it's a good way of describing it because there wasn't a convenient way of tying up all these just issues, you know particularly when he he was confronted by his dead wife's image and he thought he could see her. It could have gone into more detail there perhaps, but Um, it's trying to get a balance, isn't it? And trying to make it even over the time that you got available. But it was a good effort. One thing I would say, uh, about the film though, is that the the dialogue goes from mixes English with, um, their, is it Hindi? I do apologize if it's not Hindi, but it's where they mix dialects together. And it's sometimes in English, sometimes not. I think I would have found it's slightly easier to absorb and take in.

33:50.41
Brian Penn
if it was all in English all in sub or maybe that's just me, perhaps, but that was kind of like an issue in following the story and following the narrative, ah because there weren't subs...

33:54.58
ukfilmreview
Hmm.

34:02.97
Brian Penn
I think there were subtitles coming up, weren't there, occasionally?

34:05.92
ukfilmreview
Yeah, it did have subtitles.

34:05.93
Brian Penn
but

34:07.04
ukfilmreview
And I think, you know, ah some films do that.

34:08.97
Brian Penn
But...

34:09.84
ukfilmreview
I think even Coney Island Cousins did it as well. There was some Russian and things like that.

34:12.47
Brian Penn
Yeah.

34:14.18
ukfilmreview
i'm Yeah, i that wasn't so much a problem for me. I didn't mind that at all. I think the um only thing that I did you find was that I ah wanted things to be a bit more earned. I feel like, because it's a 20 minute film, that there's a lot going on in that, even, even, because that's not even a short short, right?

34:33.50
Brian Penn
there No, a long show, isn't it?

34:35.94
ukfilmreview
That is a fairly sizable chunk. Yeah, it felt that Sir Hill's kind of journey maybe could have been stretched a bit longer.

34:44.36
Brian Penn
Yeah.

34:44.60
ukfilmreview
and we could have because there's a bit The whole thing about the light, you know, he who doesn't turn on the light for her and that kind of comes back.

34:50.01
Brian Penn
Yeah.

34:51.39
ukfilmreview
That that was the only thing that did sort of feel like, okay, you've sort of tied it together there. um But for me, It's one of those films that I'm just going to applaud it for being so ambitious and I'm doing it in a way that is not, okay, you've completely missed the mark at all.

35:02.44
Brian Penn
Well,

35:06.10
Brian Penn
yeah.

35:06.33
ukfilmreview
I'm just saying there's things that could be better, but no, it's still a really good film.

35:08.55
Brian Penn
Yeah.

35:09.89
ukfilmreview
I think it's really strong.

35:10.55
Brian Penn
Yeah. I think that's a good word to sum it up really is ambitious. It's brave. It it was trying to get a lot in. And it did it, and you know, it made its point, you know, it got its points across. But because of the complexity of subjects that they're dealing with, it's not always easy to fit it all in and make it coherent. But but It's still very good though. So very, very good effort and very watchable.

35:35.97
ukfilmreview
I guess. Films called Overshadow and there's not masses of it online um but you can go and read Patrick's full review on our website. It's written, directed by Fareed Kiron. So yeah to check out if you can and yeah to be aware some heavy themes there which can affect and trouble some people.

35:56.03
Brian Penn
Yes.

35:59.50
ukfilmreview
um We're moving on now to film that I reviewed on the website, funnily enough.

36:03.24
Brian Penn
Yeah. so

36:04.62
ukfilmreview
um And I was very happy to to review the short film called Pain. I'm going to play the clip ah now, ah which we've got for Pain. Here we go.

37:10.17
ukfilmreview
I should have probably put a slight warning before I played that clip. um Also, never have I before been hovering over a a like button on my laptop so hard as to like end the clip because I was so like triggered by those noises.

37:23.29
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

37:26.65
ukfilmreview
But it's so vital in understanding this film to hear that clip because

37:29.22
Brian Penn
yeah

37:31.96
ukfilmreview
It really does sum up the mood and the atmosphere. I did do a big review of this already on the website, so I'm going to let you take the sort of initial part of this, Brian, so that we get your fresh opinion because yeah people may have already heard my my verdict.

37:43.25
Brian Penn
Oh, right. Okay, sure. Well, um, this is written and directed by Marcus Cartel, as you've mentioned, starring Francis Narnary and I've got the, yeah, these are the other person, but Laura, thank you for that.

37:55.22
ukfilmreview
Lara Levy.

37:58.47
ukfilmreview
No worries.

37:58.75
Brian Penn
Uh, so Jim in the Celeste have a damaged and dysfunctional relationship. He suffers seizures and she struggles to care for him. Then they have to care for a baby, which pushes them to the very limit. Um, You said in the review, Chris, that it was unapologetically difficult to watch. I have to agree with that wholeheartedly, but it's the type of film that you have to watch, and you're kind of trying not to watch it, but you know you've got to watch it just the same. And what I thought was very clever about it, it's very good. It's 99, it's good. I think it's it's one of the best in indie shorts that we' we've reviewed in the last few months. It really is. But those moments are calm, went

38:40.61
Brian Penn
When they were in the bar together and he was painting her back, they were the just the ah that was the Oasis moment, wasn't it?

38:48.57
ukfilmreview
Mm.

38:48.94
Brian Penn
That was when there was relative calm, when everything, when they seemed at one with the world, the two of them, they were together, they were alone, they were at peace. But then as soon as that finished, then it all began again. And ah found I found it a difficult watch a bit. A bit like Overshadow, but in a totally different way that it was difficult to watch. But there doesn't need to say that it's not good, because it is. But it's one that holds your attention. And the visuals and the music, the, would you call it noise or white noise, but that accompanied some scenes were really, really engrossing. you You couldn't take your eyes off it. But very good. that There's this real talent at work there.

39:39.11
ukfilmreview
Yeah and I found just doing a bit of research on the film really helped me um because i i was it's not one of those films that has loads of information about it but I looked up Marcus Cartel's um Instagram and he was talking about where the film's genesis was which was from

39:39.16
Brian Penn
Well.

39:50.11
Brian Penn
Hmm.

39:58.84
ukfilmreview
when he himself has admitted to having a long history of issues with drugs and and substance abuse that this was a dream he had in a week where he was going sober and was trying to sort of come through it and that was really interesting for me because

40:11.00
Brian Penn
Hmm.

40:15.04
ukfilmreview
That's the sort of where it's come from as a film maker.

40:17.84
Brian Penn
Hmm.

40:18.30
ukfilmreview
That's his story. And for me, I i really resonated with it as a parent and because when I had kids and and going through that, especially the newborn phase and the absolute cacophony of noise and stress, and you know it's it's a very tough time.

40:24.42
Brian Penn
Hmm.

40:32.52
Brian Penn
Hmm.

40:34.39
ukfilmreview
It's a beautiful time, but it's really tough. the and And also there's sort of almost a disconnection that you can feel from that because you're almost like, whoa, this is like a whole new person I need to be now and I'm not ready for that.

40:44.40
Brian Penn
Yeah.

40:45.55
ukfilmreview
I found that really affecting and I think that's so great when a short film like this can work on so many levels and connect with people in so many different ways.

40:51.97
Brian Penn
Yeah.

40:53.41
ukfilmreview
and that absolute bombardment of noise is delivered in a way that makes it so cinematic.

40:57.74
Brian Penn
Yeah.

41:02.44
ukfilmreview
I think, you know, it's one of those, I watched it with headphones on, on quite a big screen, you know, biggest, I could sort of really get it on. And it was just immersive, doesn't even cover it. Like I was enraptured with this film that, yeah, really enjoyed it.

41:12.48
Brian Penn
Yeah.

41:17.00
ukfilmreview
Well, enjoy is probably the wrong word, but really felt it and experienced it in a great way.

41:18.49
Brian Penn
Yeah.

41:21.50
Brian Penn
but Yeah. Yeah.

41:22.24
ukfilmreview
and yeah I think this is the sort of film that the again we mentioned for ambitious but in a very different way and could easily as well have been a film that I didn't enjoy because at times just the soundscape kind of reminded me of like uh David Lynch like you know like a razor head and stuff like

41:23.70
Brian Penn
Yeah.

41:26.38
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

41:40.19
Brian Penn
yes yeah it's very reminis innocent yeah

41:42.15
ukfilmreview
bit lynching and I was sort of going, oh, I could see that tipping people over getting to the point where you get so pushed, you know, so alienated by the sound that you then don't connect with what's going on visually.

41:43.19
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

41:55.26
ukfilmreview
but I didn't have that with this. I felt the pain was one of those sort of short films that got the balance right.

41:57.88
Brian Penn
Yeah.

41:59.70
ukfilmreview
It got the the tone right. That what it wants to achieve. It doesn't keep you too long in discomfort and as you say there are those moments of where it does get a little bit more calm and you sort of need that but I just found it really powerful very stimulating yeah on another level and yeah as I said it is a hard watch it's a challenging watch it's definitely a challenging watch

42:12.50
Brian Penn
yeah

42:18.42
Brian Penn
Yeah.

42:21.50
Brian Penn
yeah Yeah. Really, what you're seeing and what you're hearing is what the characters can see in here. It's what's inside their heads. That's what you're getting from it. So you know, between sort of the script between the them and the viewer, I think them, they're making that clear. They're saying, look, this is what the characters can see. This is what they can hear. This is what they're feeling. And it allows you to sort of disconnects as a viewer a little bit but still appreciate what's going on. It's very good. I was very impressed with it really.

42:54.17
ukfilmreview
Yeah, I ah definitely echo everything there. um The film itself, Pain, we had a password protected link, so I'm going to say it's not available online. But do go follow Marcus on Instagram. So ah so Marcus underscore Carter, which is K-A-R-T-A-L. um Yeah, I'm sure he'll be announcing so more information as to where and when you can watch Pain. In the meantime, do go to our website because you'll have my review on there where I gave it, I actually gave a video review so you can watch that.

43:25.91
Brian Penn
yeah

43:28.50
ukfilmreview
It's your leisure.

43:28.55
Brian Penn
nice

43:29.59
ukfilmreview
Or you can just re-listen to this podcast as much as you want. Just skip back and just listen to it again. You know, why not?

43:35.21
Brian Penn
why not why not Yeah.

43:35.84
ukfilmreview
um You know, it helps us. ah But yeah, hats off to to Marcus and to the to the actors.

43:38.71
Brian Penn
Yeah.

43:42.75
ukfilmreview
I thought they were both fabulous. Francis Nunnery and Lara.

43:45.35
Brian Penn
yeah

43:46.61
ukfilmreview
I'm saying Levy, but it could be Levi. and And it's not an easy film to have acted in, I'm sure. There's a lot going on there to try and get that right. And yeah, I think it's been pulled off, executed really well.

43:55.86
Brian Penn
yeah

44:00.10
ukfilmreview
It's got that nightmarish quality, but also doesn't doesn't alienate you too much that you can't penetrate what it's trying to say.

44:06.98
Brian Penn
yeah

44:08.20
ukfilmreview
I think that's a good sign of a strong filmmaker there.

44:10.91
Brian Penn
yeah ah definitely and It must have been a challenging role for both the actors to play as well you know because you've got to inhabit those characters haven't you while you're playing the role.

44:16.03
ukfilmreview
Yeah. um

44:22.04
ukfilmreview
Yeah, and that headspace is is not an easy one to get into.

44:25.43
Brian Penn
All right.

44:25.43
ukfilmreview
um But yeah, I can imagine a lot of that being done as well in post-production. So yeah we don't often name check anyone there.

44:30.81
Brian Penn
Yeah.

44:32.79
ukfilmreview
So yeah just yeah give everyone a round of applause there because they were great.

44:36.68
Brian Penn
Absolutely.

44:38.53
ukfilmreview
Pulled off an excellent short film there. So that was pain. And that is actually, painfully, the end of our indie film reviews there. But we are moving probably really far back um because we're going to do it sequentially. i'm We normally do the nostalgia last. We're going to start with our nostalgia and then do the um streaming pic because we're getting a double dose of Eddie Murphy um with Beverly Hills Cop.

45:03.22
Brian Penn
Yeah.

45:06.23
ukfilmreview
We're starting with the 1984 original. And Brian, I often ask you this, is this one that you had revisited or is this first time you've seen it or have you seen this lots of times?

45:11.34
Brian Penn
Hmm.

45:17.04
Brian Penn
No, I've seen this lots of times before i I saw it when it first came out. And the fact is 40 years old scares the living daylights out me. I can remember ah got going out to see it and being enthralled by the soundtrack. You know, the acts

45:32.63
ukfilmreview
Oh,

45:34.72
Brian Penn
It's not a great scene though, Chris.

45:34.99
ukfilmreview
ah yeah.

45:37.38
Brian Penn
I mean, that theme tune by Harold Filsomite to me is iconic. it It ranks alongside the Pink Panther theme.

45:43.82
ukfilmreview
oh yeah

45:44.07
Brian Penn
It's instantly recognisable and it's what gives the film its its punch and its power. um But it honestly, it doesn't feel like yesterday that it was made. It feels like this morning. It it only it doesn't seem like 40 years ago to me.

45:59.31
ukfilmreview
Mm-hmm.

45:59.84
Brian Penn
Not in the slightest. um but Look, I um haven't seen the film itself in in a few years, but let's say I've seen it maybe nine or 10 times all the way through, but I've not watched it. This is the first time I've watched it in maybe five or six years. But looking at it now, honest as much as I love the film and I love the soundtrack, I honestly think it creaks a little bit, that it's not worn as well as some other films from the ACs. now

46:31.86
Brian Penn
when When I think about action movies from the Aces, I'm always going to think of Beverly Hills Cop, Lethal Weapon, Die Hard. They're always the films that spring to mind. But I think films like Lethal Weapon and Die Hard have worn a lot better than and Beverly Hills Cop. There's something about it that it seems to lack the punch that it's that it once had. And I'm not quite sure why. It it feels dated. I don't know why. It's just odd. Maybe it's Eddie Murphy's laugh that's become quite...

47:02.91
ukfilmreview
That's

47:05.68
Brian Penn
Do you know what? you no For the new film, apparently, I don't know how true this is, but he had to get rid of that laugh because he felt that it was turning into a parody.

47:07.27
ukfilmreview
funny.

47:16.30
Brian Penn
I don't know how true that is, but the film itself still works. It still works. Of course it does, but I don't think it's won quite as well as some of the films from that period.

47:28.85
ukfilmreview
yeah try interesting because i for me I found that um I was watching it and it felt like a precursor to bad boys it was like okay this is like they've got this you know wisecracking cop doesn't really do what he's meant to but very much kind of

47:39.05
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. Hmm.

47:48.40
ukfilmreview
gets into the action when it needs to, but it's largely a comedy. It's it's mostly just making jokes most of the time. um I like the sort of fish out of water element, you know, he's getting taken from the city into the Beverly Hills sort of.

47:58.08
Brian Penn
Yeah.

48:01.46
ukfilmreview
I think that also could be part of maybe why it hasn't weathered as well, because those cultural shifts, maybe the schisms are probably not as felt as much yeah or maybe not as relevant anymore.

48:09.37
Brian Penn
Yeah.

48:14.31
Brian Penn
Yeah.

48:14.43
ukfilmreview
um but But I did enjoy it. I must say I rewatched it.

48:18.74
Brian Penn
Hmm.

48:18.86
ukfilmreview
I don't think I've seen it as many times as you. I've only seen it probably sort of a handful of times um and often just bits because it's sort of film my brother would put on and we'd watch some of it.

48:26.70
Brian Penn
Yeah. Hmm.

48:28.21
ukfilmreview
But I watched this ah a couple weeks back because I went and stayed with my mum, which is having a hip replacement. and um

48:34.26
Brian Penn
ah

48:35.58
ukfilmreview
We watched them all. We were like, all right, let's watch this, and we watched the next one, and we watched it you know two or three, and just enjoyed them for what they were.

48:38.42
Brian Penn
okay Yeah.

48:42.91
ukfilmreview
They were really fun, and they were all on Netflix, if anyone wants to go and watch it, we haven't seen them.

48:43.28
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

48:46.87
Brian Penn
Yeah.

48:49.50
ukfilmreview
um And I do think, actually, two and three are as good, if not better, than the first one, which is always rare with a um franchise.

48:58.67
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

48:59.69
ukfilmreview
they are I think they they've sort of fine-tuned it as they went along.

49:03.38
Brian Penn
yeah

49:03.99
ukfilmreview
They knew what worked. I loved um Judge Reinhold. I think he's great. as he Because in the first film, he's kind of like this sort of wet, behind-the-ears cop.

49:10.79
Brian Penn
Yeah.

49:11.57
ukfilmreview
But by the sort of third one, he's a bit more... He's he's sort of on Eddie Murphy's character's level.

49:17.02
Brian Penn
Yeah.

49:17.22
ukfilmreview
He's more sort of there.

49:18.56
Brian Penn
He's more hard-bitten, isn't he?

49:18.65
ukfilmreview
um Yeah.

49:19.64
Brian Penn
And he's obsessed with guns as well.

49:21.51
ukfilmreview
He always brings like a massive gun, doesn't he?

49:22.39
Brian Penn
Billy, we need to, yeah, Billy, we need to talk.

49:24.15
ukfilmreview
yeah

49:25.78
Brian Penn
That came up a lot in the second film, didn't it? But yeah, I think you're right.

49:28.07
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

49:28.75
Brian Penn
Probably Beverly Hills Cop 1 laid the groundwork really for the characters. And it was a buddy movie as much as anything, wasn't it? Between, but it was a three-way buddy movie, wasn't it? Between. ah between Axel and Rosewood and Taggart. So it's a three-way buddy move, body movies and that worked really well. Stephen Birkoff was very good as the baddie, and we always not we know it's one of the rules that Englishmen have to play the baddies in any American movement.

49:55.57
ukfilmreview
he

49:56.53
Brian Penn
It won't work otherwise, will it? We know that.

49:59.23
ukfilmreview
Yeah, we are just pure evil. As there anyone listening to this podcast knows, we're just pure evil.

50:04.58
Brian Penn
Yeah, well absolutely. Yeah.

50:05.44
ukfilmreview
It's the accent.

50:06.80
Brian Penn
yeah

50:06.88
ukfilmreview
ah the um Yeah, I think it's one of those films that is still accessible. There's so going to be some references that are not as relevant, but it's fun and it leads very nicely into the big yeah release which was um on Netflix as well, which is what our streaming pick is.

50:13.59
Brian Penn
Yeah. Hmm.

50:25.95
ukfilmreview
It's Beverly Hills Cop actual F. So this would be the fourth film in the franchise.

50:30.63
Brian Penn
Yeah.

50:32.35
ukfilmreview
i'm And yeah, interestingly, we've got a different dynamic here because obviously they haven't done a oh he's still you know it's still of the time it it has jumped forward he is older um i i think i agree with that i don't think the films should try and have these guys go back and play you know that aged character you know where where he was and also they introduced a new element with this uh film

50:54.99
Brian Penn
Yeah.

50:59.80
Brian Penn
Hmm.

51:00.01
ukfilmreview
because his um his daughter is involved. He has a daughter and I think that was a really good element to add into the storyline.

51:04.14
Brian Penn
Yeah.

51:07.67
Brian Penn
Yeah.

51:08.12
ukfilmreview
It makes it a bit more serious, he's a bit more mature in some ways and it injected kind of sort of quite a heavy threat level there in terms of why he was doing what he was doing.

51:10.24
Brian Penn
Hmm.

51:19.87
Brian Penn
Yeah.

51:19.88
ukfilmreview
um The storyline was still fairly similar, if i mourn is I'm They brought back ah the characters of Tagger and Rosewood, but they also sort of wrote them out of them.

51:24.53
Brian Penn
Yeah, it was. Yeah, it was.

51:32.35
Brian Penn
Hmm.

51:34.89
ukfilmreview
I think they didn't want to rely on them too much in the movie, if you know what I mean.

51:35.18
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, I think that's a good point, actually, because I think whenever they revive any, any franchise, I think they always like to bring the original cast back as far as possible, as far as they possibly can, because yeah it gives continuity and they want the sense that people have grown up with certain characters in certain movies, and that's the appeal of it, the charm of it, and that's why it works. But you're right, though, they kept Rosewood and Sagat out for as long as they could, but they were there there. There was that kind of degree of continuity and that friendship was there as well. But what I did like, it you see, I think, I don't see guys far to say that

52:13.77
Brian Penn
this This fourth film is better than the first one. I think it's a yeah it's it's a much stronger storyline.

52:16.70
ukfilmreview
I enjoyed it more, I would say I did enjoy it more, yeah.

52:21.22
Brian Penn
It's very similar. you know Something takes Axel off to Beverly Hills. The first time around, his friend was killed. This time around, is his also it's daughter. He's a strange daughter that's in danger. That's what takes him back to ah it's California, to Beverly Hills. But that is a stronger plot line than the first one. because then you've got this relationship developing between Axel and his daughter, one that we weren't that aware of. And um um you get that, you know, that estrangement, why it happened, you know, you've got her sort of firing back at him. Why did you leave him? Why did you, you know, and he's trying to blame her. And there's that kind of relationship between father and daughter and the fact that he feels the need to protect her and not only to save her life, potentially, but also

53:10.90
Brian Penn
ah to get to know her again. And I think that's an interesting dynamic because Axel Foley was what you was this wise cracking womanizing cop was me at the beginning.

53:21.01
ukfilmreview
Mm.

53:22.04
Brian Penn
And now he's he's a bit he's older, obviously, he's a lot older. He's more thoughtful. And he knows that he's got a daughter that he wants to protect and get to know properly. So you saw a softer side of Axel Foley as a result.

53:35.56
ukfilmreview
And what I liked about that as well is that they ah shifted it from a sense of it being, he's a fish out of water in the first film.

53:35.91
Brian Penn
And

53:42.26
Brian Penn
Hmm. Hmm.

53:43.50
ukfilmreview
Whereas this, it's almost like he's a fish out of time. ah Because he's older, he's looking at things through that lens of like, oh, that's not the way I did it in my day.

53:46.91
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

53:51.66
Brian Penn
Yeah.

53:52.10
ukfilmreview
And that works really well because it gives that same feel of him not belonging in this place.

53:54.05
Brian Penn
Yeah.

53:57.64
Brian Penn
Hmm.

54:00.24
ukfilmreview
and he's got all these gripes with the way that well the world is, that it was a really nice move and it made sense because you could easier seen this just as being like, ah oh, it's just a cash grab, they're just going to, you know, benefit from the fact that it has a popular fan base ah who would who would obviously go and watch it.

54:03.10
Brian Penn
Hmm. Yeah.

54:15.26
Brian Penn
Yeah.

54:19.09
ukfilmreview
But what they've done is actually deliver a film that is decent, is good.

54:19.31
Brian Penn
yeah

54:22.00
ukfilmreview
And like you say, iss is it stands up there. If not, ah you know, it's not the worst of the four. um It's definitely up there.

54:28.44
Brian Penn
don yeah I It was a very good film.

54:29.66
ukfilmreview
um I really enjoyed it more than I thought I was going to. I didn't think it was going to be that good. And I thought, oh, actually, this is this is decent. this I'm enjoying this.

54:38.81
Brian Penn
And for Eddie Murphy, generally, I think you look at his sir his portfolio of work over the years. And the the really good films he's made, arguably you could you could count on one hand what I would call really, really good films. And there aren't many, and they came at the beginning of his career more than the middle or where he is now. But this is definitely one of his best of films. But it just shows though, doesn't it, that Eddie Murphy hasn't always made good films, but he's made films that make money. And it's not always the same thing.

55:12.88
Brian Penn
What's your favorite Eddie Murphy film?

55:14.54
ukfilmreview
or yeah as you're saying, as I'm going through in my head. um this i mean for us Critically, it's not a great film, but I have such a soft spot for The Nutty Professor because I just found it really funny as a kid, but it's one film I probably haven't seen that.

55:26.33
Brian Penn
Oh, right. okay yeah no Yeah.

55:32.96
ukfilmreview
in, I don't know, 20 years.

55:36.04
Brian Penn
Yeah.

55:36.23
ukfilmreview
um I do like him as Donkey in Shrek, come I must say. ah oh um Sorry, I've just quickly looked up his feed and I was like, no, wait a minute, I know what my favourite Eddie Murphy film is, kind Coming to America.

55:40.04
Brian Penn
Yeah.

55:45.32
Brian Penn
Go on then.

55:47.07
ukfilmreview
That is just absolutely brilliant. I love Coming to America.

55:50.14
Brian Penn
I'm not convinced by, it I never was convinced by, it I'll have to, I'll have to have a look at it again.

55:52.62
ukfilmreview
Oh, you're Yeah, yeah digest that is one of those films that it always makes me laugh.

55:54.89
Brian Penn
I'm ready.

56:00.23
ukfilmreview
I have watched that yeah more. um There is a really good film where he's with Martin Lawrence called Life, where they're prisoners.

56:07.78
Brian Penn
Yeah, that's underrated that film.

56:09.56
ukfilmreview
That's a good film. Yeah, that's one of those ones that used to come up on TV and I'd go, oh, I'm going to watch this.

56:10.39
Brian Penn
Yeah.

56:13.76
ukfilmreview
This is good.

56:14.14
Brian Penn
Yeah.

56:14.93
ukfilmreview
What about you?

56:15.09
Brian Penn
Now, well, I think it's his earlier films.

56:15.61
ukfilmreview
What about you, Rowan?

56:18.39
Brian Penn
I love 48 hours and trading places with Dana.

56:21.34
ukfilmreview
Oh, yeah, Trading Places is great, yeah.

56:22.87
Brian Penn
And one film that gets completely forgotten, and my mates bore me out whenever I mention it, because they all say it's one of his worst films, but I think it's one of his best. It's a film called Metron, where he he played a a police detective in New Orleans, I think it was. But he played it straight, Chris, you know,

56:44.15
ukfilmreview
okay

56:45.03
Brian Penn
It was just a serious cop drama. There was no wise cracking. The laugh wasn't there, but he played it seriously. He played it straight. Didn't do do much business, but have a look at Metroid. You have a look at Metroid and I'll have a look at Coming to America again.

57:01.08
ukfilmreview
okay there's some there's some absolute stinkers in his list though when you go through them i'm like oh yeah there was like norbert and stuff like that

57:01.12
Brian Penn
How about that?

57:08.08
Brian Penn
Oh yeah. Vampire Brooklyn.

57:10.78
ukfilmreview
yeah

57:10.84
Brian Penn
Oh my God.

57:11.87
ukfilmreview
Tower Heist was really boring um but actually Dolomite is my name was a newer film he did that was good and that was quite vibrant and interesting a bit different um but yeah no it's it's a very varied um you know credit list if you go through his films I think there's some good and there's some really bad films there

57:14.32
Brian Penn
Yeah.

57:30.37
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. There's a variety there, isn't there? Sort of good, bad, and different.

57:35.76
ukfilmreview
Yeah.

57:36.80
Brian Penn
That's just like the way.

57:36.94
ukfilmreview
um But if you're a fan of Eddie Murphy, you've got to watch this. I mean, it's like, you know, it's up there with the better films.

57:42.42
Brian Penn
Oh yeah. It's great fun. It's great.

57:46.69
ukfilmreview
And yeah, it's on Netflix. So you've got no real excuse not to watch it. um And hopefully, we'll get some listening reviews of that. Be good to hear what other people think.

57:55.47
Brian Penn
yeah

57:56.79
ukfilmreview
um Speaking of listening reviews,

57:59.95
Brian Penn
Wow, it's his name.

58:00.79
ukfilmreview
I'm going to read some out. I'm not going to keep Brian around for that because there are so many. So I'm going to record that after we we finish. We've got at least 15 here. So I'm going to go get so many images to give you a little tent little taste, Brian.

58:13.33
Brian Penn
Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

58:16.70
ukfilmreview
We've got reviews of things like under the skin. Actually, we do have a review of A Quiet Place day one that would have Yeah, that'd be interesting.

58:26.00
Brian Penn
Yeah.

58:26.09
ukfilmreview
um The judge Oppenheimer, Claudia, lots of things here. So um yeah, I'm gonna, I'll go into those shortly. But big thank you to Brian for his terrific reviews and and going to the cinema for me so I can live vicariously through him. And um and to you our dear listeners for for sticking with us. And also to the filmmakers who do send their films in. We've really enjoyed the ones we've reviewed this month.

58:52.02
Brian Penn
Mm

58:52.12
ukfilmreview
We've already got some lined up for next month as well. So yeah, um thank you for joining us on UK Film Club and we'll see you again next time.

59:10.42
Brian Penn
-hmm. That's excellent.