Sinners - The Amateur - Mission Impossible: Dead Reckoning - UK Film Club Episode 27

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Chris Olson
in time You're always just there and ready to go. You're so punctual.

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Brian Penn
I try to be. I try to be. I mean, do you realise we've just had our last blank holiday until Christmas? Oh,

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Chris Olson
No, we haven't. There's one in August, isn't there?

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Brian Penn
ah that's right. No, you're right.

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Chris Olson
Don't forget about that one. maybe It gets lost because it's in the summer holidays and everyone thinks, oh it's not a real bank holiday, but it is. And I will defend it to my very last.

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Brian Penn
What made me forget that?

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Chris Olson
Okay.

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Brian Penn
but Of course I forgot all about that.

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Chris Olson
How can you forget the August bank holiday, Brian?

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Brian Penn
ah no I know.

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Chris Olson
That's that's insane.

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Brian Penn
Well, I've remembered now, haven't Really.

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Chris Olson
I think you've got mad because this month has got two, right? So that's why you're you know you're excited.

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Brian Penn
It could be. It could be, yeah. Overexcited, yeah.

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Chris Olson
Well, you know it's easily done. And yeah in the UK, it's very easy to just grab onto the small things, isn't it?

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Brian Penn
Well, it is. you youling You cling to those crumbs, don't you? Those shreds of hope, you know.

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Chris Olson
Yeah, shreds. yeah the The two weeks of sunny weather that we've had. but

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Brian Penn
Yeah, well, you see, I don't mind when it cools down a little bit, really. I mean, the odd downpour can actually do some good, particularly if you you've got allergies as well, you know, so...

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Chris Olson
Yeah, allergies suck. um I mean, weather-wise, Brian, if it's ah it's a rainy Sunday afternoon, you're going to put a film on, what's your sort of classic rainy Sunday film?

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
Oh, that's a good question, isn't it? um I would have to go for something British, possibly black and white.

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Chris Olson
so

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Brian Penn
You know, a this might be slightly left field, but a 1950s war epic, something like the Dam Busters or the crew yeah the Cruel Sea or Ice Cold in Alex with John Mills and Anthony Quayle and Sylvia Sims.

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Chris Olson
Wow. A war epic.

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Brian Penn
Something like that, something along those lines. It just feels very warm and very cozy. And it's kind of, it is a nostalgic feeling that you, that it engenders, isn't it, on a Sunday afternoon? You know sitting down with a ah cup of tea and a chocolate obnob, you know, and watching a good old-fashioned British movie.

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Chris Olson
Chocolate Oblop. Yeah.

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Brian Penn
So that's what I'd go for. What about you

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Chris Olson
Yeah, definitely. um Sorry, listeners, but we are the UK Film Review Podcast, so we are kind of going to be slanted slightly towards the the British films.

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Brian Penn
you? Yeah. Yeah, just a bit. Yeah.

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Chris Olson
And yeah, it's definitely like, ah ah but for me, it be like a British comedy, you know, something.

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Brian Penn
Oh, yeah.

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Chris Olson
I'm trying to, to be honest, any Richard Curtis film pretty much will do.

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Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, that bit's...

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Chris Olson
um And yeah, anything with like Michael Caine, he just...

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Brian Penn
Oh, yeah.

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Chris Olson
especially something not not sort of like you know the sort of hardcore crimey ones that he's done but more the sort of where he's been the sort of elderly gentleman you've reviewed a few of his films actually in the last couple of years where he's been doing those sort of films um yeah

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Brian Penn
I have, yeah. Yeah, well, the... Yeah, I agree with that. Well, you know I'm a huge Michael Caine fan anyway, but um his last film, I don't know whether it will be his last film, I mean, he is...

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Brian Penn
I think 92 now, but The Great Escaper, which, yeah, which is based on true story.

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Chris Olson
where he goes to France yeah and he's the older guy

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Brian Penn
That's a lovely film.

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Chris Olson
Do you know, watched that because of your review, which is pretty much the way of all of my movie watching is now.

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Brian Penn
Lovely film.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
Yeah,

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Chris Olson
and And yeah, that is is perfect Sunday afternoon fair, definitely.

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Brian Penn
it is.

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Chris Olson
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
Very much so. And it's, it's very, it's a warm hearted movie, isn't it? I mean, it's a phrase that, that, uh, film critics use far too often, but it just kind of fits for some films.

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Brian Penn
But I see it as a positive thing, though, Chris. and Whilst others might see that as a derogatory comment, but it's not.

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Chris Olson
Well, they they do like to argue, don't they, on the internet, I've heard.

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Brian Penn
I

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Brian Penn
i guess so, that's all good. you know We like to provoke conversation and and opinions. That's what it's all about, as the old cliche goes.

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Chris Olson
we do

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Brian Penn
Hmm.

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Chris Olson
And there'll be no arguing here on UK Film Club. If this is your first time, welcome, welcome, welcome. Everyone is welcome, even if you only watch films on a Sunday afternoon when it's raining. But Brian very kindly goes and reviews films at the cinema. So that's what we would normally start off with first.

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Chris Olson
We're then going to review a streaming pick. So that's a film that's available on a streaming platform. We then review a selection of indie films that have been sent to us by filmmakers specifically for this podcast. They say, look, we love your podcast.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
review our films so we do um and then we finish up with what's called our nostalgia pick kind of like the the Sunday afternoon film but it could be you can watch this anywhere it just has to have been out for quite a few while we haven't set an actual amount of years for that um but typically know we're looking at sort of 20 30 years maybe more we're not going black and white this time though um but we won't say what it is we'll save that to the end

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
No.

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Brian Penn
No.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
Unless you're going to be one of those people that just looks at the description, you know. i know there's there's those of you out there, classic.

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Brian Penn
yeah Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, we're looking at you, aren't we, eh?

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Chris Olson
um We're looking at you through our screens.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
um But first off, we're starting with a new film out by Ryan Coogler called Sinners. Brian, take away.

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Brian Penn
So Sinners, written and directed by Ryan Coogler, starring Michael B. Jordan, Miles Clayton, Saul Williams, and Adrian Ward-Hammond. So, the storyline.

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Brian Penn
Twin Brothers Smoke and Stack return home to Mississippi after several years in Chicago. They decide to invest in an old sawmill and turn it into a juke joint. Musicians are recruited in preparation for the opening night.

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Brian Penn
However, rumours persist about the sawmill's history and the bad vibes it gives off. First Night unleashes evil that the brothers could only yeah could never have imagined.

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Brian Penn
But will the Duke joint make it to a second night? This is a very handsome looking film. it makes It mixes together two contrasting genres, really.

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Brian Penn
On the one hand, you've got a familiar tale of the Deep South dripping with racial tension. And on the other hand, so a highly effective horror subplot. If you love old-style blues, there's a great soundtrack to enjoy.

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Brian Penn
The lighting and design is excellent. It's inventive and visually arresting. It's a very, very good film. I like this a hell of a lot. And Michael B. Jordan doubles up in the role of the twins, which gives it a certain amount of normalcy value.

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Brian Penn
but um And some may well complain that it actually does an actor out of a job. But you can't complain when it works as well as it does. It's an incredibly good film.

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Chris Olson
Wow. I mean, I've heard a lot about this film and a lot of people asking me if I'd seen it. and I said, no, I haven't.

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Brian Penn
um

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Chris Olson
Wait for the podcast, Brian. I'll review it for you.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
Don't worry. um And it's got a great pedigree. You love the cast.

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Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

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Chris Olson
Big fan of McBee Jordan. We've got people like Jack O'Connell in there.

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Brian Penn
ye

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Chris Olson
Delroy Linden. It's one of those films as well that just feels like it's got a ah good... sense of authenticity about it feels like you know i watched the trailer i've heard other reviews and things about that and i say they feel that they've they've really sort of captured an interesting period of time um yeah i'm a big fan of blues so i'll be you know this is going on the list this is one of those films right

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Brian Penn
yeah

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
oh Yeah. Yeah. The soundtrack is to die for if you like rhythm and blues. It is absolutely brilliant. um It's not often that I'd recommend the soundtrack of a film, of any film, because film soundtracks can be very fragmented, can't they? They can be very patchy at times. But I'd recommend that you purchase the soundtrack this film because it's brilliant.

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Brian Penn
You can just feel the deep south. wafting through you your eardrums. It is brilliant. I just love this film so much. um And it deserves to be seen on the big screen as well.

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Brian Penn
And it's still doing good business in the cinema, site which is good to see.

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Chris Olson
i it's got some fabulous reviews and yeah it's been out a little while um i was yeah my my question was whether or not it was going to be needed to be seen on the big screen but i kind of knew that for myself when i saw the trailer i thought i'd want to see this on the big screen um

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah, I think so. so Some films do need need it. It's that we've discussed before that with some films, like they can like can be just as if, they can be no more effective on a big screen than they would be on a small screen.

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Brian Penn
So some films are natural. You know, it's when we used to say that this film can go straight to video back in the day, right?

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Chris Olson
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
But now we say, oh it's going to go onto stream straight away, right? This type of film ah belongs on a big screen. it It's got that cinematic feel to it. So it deserves to be seen where where it was made. You know, it was made for the big screen, so.

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Brian Penn
This one's got to be done. But as I say, so I was very impressed by it. you know it's It's easy to pick holes in any film, isn't it, really? But I can't see anything that was really wrong with it.

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Brian Penn
And for added novelty value, to me, there's an added dose of originality there because I've never seen two subplots mixed together in that way that mixes horror with old style, Deep South racial tensions. Now, people listening,

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Brian Penn
might be able to direct me to a a film that did do that. It's already done that. But I don't know of one that's done that. And i think originality in filmmaking is so difficult to find these days.

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Chris Olson
What was that Tarantino film? there anything that's coming to mind? Was that in the deep self though? Where it's like, is it from dusk till dawn or something it's called? Where they sort of suddenly turns into like a ah vampire flick.

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Brian Penn
Hmm.

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Brian Penn
Yeah. I mean, that that was a horror vampire type thing.

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Chris Olson
That's it. Yes, that that was like coming to mind when you were talking about this, but not in this.

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Brian Penn
Was that? Yeah. Could be. Yeah.

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Chris Olson
Yeah, like say, it's it's got a probably different setup to that.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
But I think, um yeah obviously, vampire films, in general actually, we've got one later on in the show, um are yeah it's so it's a very full genre.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
We have, yeah.

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Brian Penn
Oh, it is.

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Chris Olson
But when you do kind of get a nice mixture, especially as well, if they're doing like a period piece, then yeah, I quite like it. I think it's got a lot to offer.

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Brian Penn
Yeah, and also the horror elements of the movie are really well done. um was I was watching this film with my niece and she really had to look away when the

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Chris Olson
Mm-hmm.

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Brian Penn
When the scary bits came on, to she had to distract herself and and just look look somewhere else. and So that's a good indication of how effective that part of it is. And some of the horror scenes were but actually quite scary.

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Brian Penn
you know You know, I'm not necessarily affected by the horror, they so the jump up and scare you type scenes, but this does it really well. um So yeah, full marks really.

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Chris Olson
There go. Well, sinners, um stay tuned to find out if it's Brian's film of the month, but we've got a couple more to go through before we get to that point, which is brings us on neatly next to The Amateur.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
Ah, right. Okay. Yeah. So the amateur is directed by James Hawes, starring Remy Malek, Laurence Fishburne, Rachel Brosnahan, and John Bernal.

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Brian Penn
So Heller is a whist kid decoder employed by the CIA. When his wife Sarah is killed in a London terror attack, he gathers intelligence on the court culprits.

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Brian Penn
However, his bosses decline to investigate. Armed with his cyber skills, Heller goes after his wife's killers. Now, this is a very slick and well-executed spy story.

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Brian Penn
The twist here is that Heller doesn't have the field skills, but has the intelligence to stay ahead of the game. So it's a bit like brain overcoming Brawn. So all of that makes a pleasant change.

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Brian Penn
Usually in this type of story, ah you become accustomed to the physical combat elements of the film. Now, there is some of that, but most of it, it's hella sort of thinking, and it's so it's very cerebral, which is unusual for a spy story, because they normally do go in one direction, pretty much. And the interplay between Remy Malek's character and Laurence Fishburne's character is quite interesting, because Laurence Fishburne plays Henderson, who's the the expert field operative who teaches in the ropes.

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Brian Penn
right So... You've got that kind of master and apprentice okay ah going on there, which is good.

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Chris Olson
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
um All in all, ah really good film. And probably underrated and not getting the attention that it really deserves. But it's a very good film. Still just about showing in the cinema. ah So if you're quick, you'll be able to see it your local multiplex.

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Brian Penn
ah But you need to be quick. But it's a surprisingly good film. And Remy Malek is... has properly shed that Freddie Mercury ah look. He's not, you know, I felt initially was that he was lots in his Freddie Mercury in Bohemian Rhapsody, which he was very good in.

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Brian Penn
But he's shed that image down. You know, you sense that he's moved on and that he's playing other characters that are equally credible. So he's not weighed down by one particular role that he's played in the past. And that's not easy to do, but he's done it very well.

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Chris Olson
Yeah, it's funny because the marketing for the amateur is actually dining out quite a lot on the fact that he's like won an Oscar, right? So they put like yeah Academy Award winner, Academy Award winner.

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Brian Penn
Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Chris Olson
obviously, you know, funny enough, he first came to my sort of notice in the show called and Mr. Robot, which I've not seen it all, but i just know that he was in it where he played a kind of, you know,

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Brian Penn
Ah, OK. Yeah.

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Chris Olson
computer guy. I'm not sure what the correct word is.

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Brian Penn
ah

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Chris Olson
I was going to say geek, but I thought that's offensive, right?

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
i can't say geek.

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Brian Penn
Well, it probably is now, yeah.

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Chris Olson
um

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Brian Penn
but Sorry, I don't mind.

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Chris Olson
But yeah, you don't mind. that I thought yeah this is feels like akin to that name casting-wise, because like you say something like Bohemian Rhapsody was such a different role for him to play.

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Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah yeah

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Chris Olson
The tone of this feels quite sort of like BBC sort of spy show to me. like You know when you get a lot of those sort shows on the BBC...

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Brian Penn
yeah like spokes Yeah.

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Chris Olson
Yeah, Spooks.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
I just watched, um not BBC, but Day of the Jackal with Eddie Redmayne.

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Brian Penn
yeah

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Brian Penn
I

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Chris Olson
That was really good. im i So I think there's a big audience for these type of stories, right?

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Brian Penn
but yeah i mean, therere there are certain types of film that we go for. Certain stories that are going to be naturally very popular. And anything to do with spies, you know, it's ah it's a Bond-esque type storyline, a quasi-Bond storyline. I mean, we're going to come to Mission Impossible next. And that is very, that's a spy story.

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Brian Penn
And it's a very popular genre. And there's no sign of the public's appetite for that type of film waning, really. You know, and you've you've got lots of ah examples of how that genre has flourished. I mean, jason the Jason Bourne movies, for example.

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Brian Penn
You know, it's it's a staple, I think, isn't it? You know, it fits into the action movie franchise fairly neatly. But I mean, it's a staple that we're comfortable with, we enjoy it.

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Brian Penn
And it's quite but it's a question of how it's all executed, isn't it? And how well it's done. But this one at one is very well done.

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Chris Olson
This one's well done.

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Brian Penn
like it. Yeah.

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Chris Olson
Well, that's the amateur. As Brian said, you might be able catch it at the cinema. If not, I'm sure it won't be long before it's on a streaming platform.

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
um And also, as Brian said, which he he absolutely jumped the gun and, you know, told you what the next film was. But, you know I'll let him off because he is the one who saw it.

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Brian Penn
Oh, okay.

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Chris Olson
um The newest Mission Impossible film, The Final Reckoning. on, Brian.

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Brian Penn
Okay. Directed by Christopher McQuarrie, starring Tom Cruise, Hayley Atwell, Simon Pegg, Ving Rhames, and Angela Bassett. So this carries on where the previous film left off.

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Brian Penn
A rogue AI program called The Entity has infiltrated the world's nuclear command sensors and threatens global destruction. Ethan Hunt and his team have recovered a key to disarm The Entity.

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Brian Penn
but must now find the original source code to complete their mission. Your mission, should you decide to accept, is to stay awake for the whole two hours, 50 minutes of the film. I'm sorry.

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Brian Penn
i am sorry. I couldn't resist it. I mean, it's it's an obvious gag waiting to be picked up.

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Chris Olson
You gotta do it.

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Brian Penn
um But I was very disappointed with this. um For a franchise that prides itself on the action elements of a film, it really is a snore fest in places.

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Brian Penn
There's one scene where Ethan Hunt dives underwater to explore the wreck of a submarine. And it goes on for about half an hour. And it is really boring. I'm sorry to say, it's boring.

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Chris Olson
Hmm.

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Brian Penn
And it makes the film drag where it shouldn't. And they sacrifice a lot of action for deeper contemplation. And it doesn't really go anywhere. You know, there there are scenes where they talk about the, you know, the Earth's destruction and what it could do and how bad it is.

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Brian Penn
And they stare into space, repeating something very similar. And it doesn't really do much for the film, really. The last half an era, it really gets going.

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Brian Penn
And there's a brilliant stunt involving two biplanes. um But I couldn't think, though, that the last film was subtitled Dead Reckoning.

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Brian Penn
And this was the final Reckoning. They could have really put both films together with some brutal editing. because I don't think there's enough material here to make a further film.

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Brian Penn
Because it is part one and part two, but they they could have put it into one film. It would have made an even better um film by itself, rather than try and stretch stretch ah thin storyline.

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Brian Penn
ah Again, it's it's ah it's a quasi-Bond storyline, but what you really impresses you about Mission and Impossible are the visuals.

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Chris Olson
Thank you.

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Brian Penn
And you don't get it quite as much in this film. And I think they could have done it without resourcing to a further film. Needless to say, it will be hideously successful. It will make a shed load of money.

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Brian Penn
And I'm not entirely convinced it is the last film, you know, in in the franchise. Because I think there is, ah they try and tie up some loose ends. They recap and flash back on certain um elements of of previous films.

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Brian Penn
So there's a sense they're wrapping everything up. They're so they're tying a bow in it or they're trying see But there's always a way back, particularly where it can make money. But no, overall, I was very disappointed.

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Brian Penn
But, um you know, it's going to do very well, undoubtedly.

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Chris Olson
Well, your review is not um dissimilar to a lot of ones I've seen. had we had a Yeah.

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Chris Olson
and he he gave it three out five and he says if what you're looking for in the final reckoning is tom cruise doing what tom cruise has always done in this franchise then you'll go home feeling satisfied but don't expect the film to blow you away as a whole ah film has some stunning sequences and some tantalizing stakeaks but goes light on the humour and heavy on the feeling of impending doom

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Brian Penn
Yeah.

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Chris Olson
Mission Impossible The Final Reckoning certainly isn't one of the strongest in the franchise, but it's still better than the vast majority of other action thrillers that are released nowadays.

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Brian Penn
yeah

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Chris Olson
Thank you, Tom, for that review. Do you largely agree with Tom's verdict there?

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Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. Pretty much. I think that's what i would say about it. I think the the earlier... the earlier films in the franchise were much better and more self-conclaimed and seemed to get a lot more done.

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Brian Penn
And this is very ponderous, I think, for me. yeah it As I say, it drags in places where it doesn't need to. And i mean, I love the previous film.

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Brian Penn
I think Dead Reckoning was a fantastic piece of filmmaking. But know personally, I wouldn't, I wouldn't be surprised if it did come back, but I hope it doesn't because um this particular film didn't really do it.

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Brian Penn
And know another installment, which we know is always a possibility, um would be even less fulfilling from an entertainment perspective.

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Brian Penn
But, you know, it's it's still it's still going to be one of the big films the summer um people are going to see.

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Chris Olson
no

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Chris Olson
Yeah, they always are, aren't they? They release these movies and they have a big kind of impact just because they are cinema films, aren't they?

00:20:04.83
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:20:07.35
Chris Olson
You know, people just go and enjoy.

00:20:07.70
Brian Penn
yeah

00:20:08.79
Chris Olson
You get your money's worth, you know, it's almost three hours long.

00:20:11.32
Brian Penn
Oh yeah, course you It's an event.

00:20:11.89
Chris Olson
Yeah.

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Brian Penn
i mean but It's not just a film, is it? It's and ah an event, a cinematic event. and People think, oh, you've got to go and see it. you know i i saw it, I think, on the third night of release.

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Brian Penn
I think it came out on the 21st of May and I saw it on the 23rd, I think. It was almost full. i mean you know at ah At a multiplex, they probably have maybe 10 or 15 slots a day for a film like this.

00:20:41.06
Chris Olson
There

00:20:41.08
Brian Penn
And it was almost full, pretty much full. All right, it's only the third day in release, but it's it just gives an idea of how they can get real turnover.

00:20:51.63
Chris Olson
there you go. Tom Cruise keeping the ah movie industry going. Thanks, Tom.

00:20:55.42
Brian Penn
Yeah, thanks, Tom.

00:20:55.50
Chris Olson
um

00:20:56.75
Brian Penn
We would have nothing to talk about with without people like Tom, would we?

00:20:58.89
Chris Olson
Yeah. Well, apart from us as well, we keep it going. Brian, what's your film with a month, mate?

00:21:03.72
Brian Penn
Oh, Film in a Month, Sinners for me.

00:21:05.40
Chris Olson
was going to say it's got to Sinners, isn't it?

00:21:06.96
Brian Penn
Sinners, excellent film. Go soon.

00:21:08.76
Chris Olson
Let's go see it. um Moving on now to our streaming pick, and this is a film largely picked by me. Paul Bryan doesn't really get a look in with this one. um I choose a film from the streaming platforms that is coming out this month, and we review it in this section of the show.

00:21:23.57
Chris Olson
And this month, for my sins, I chose Nona's. starring Vince Vaughn as a um a man who loses his mum early on in the film who decides to pay tribute to her by opening an Italian restaurant in her name.

00:21:42.27
Chris Olson
ah This is then going to be staffed by known as, and I didn't know that phrase before I saw this film, ah but it's grandmothers in in sort of the Italian-American community, or the, yeah.

00:21:54.84
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, that's right, yeah. It's the timing for another.

00:21:56.14
Chris Olson
um Yeah, so Italian grandmothers come and become chefs in this um aspiring restaurant, but as with any film involving a restaurant coming to be lots challenges to overcome and will it open will it be a success that's pretty much the the whole setup of this film um and you can tell from my tone how i feel about this i'm gonna go to brian quickly brian what you think about known as it's it's a sunday film isn't it sunday afternoon

00:22:09.70
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:22:21.48
Brian Penn
yeah i really enjoyed this you know at the top of the show we would yeah it's like we were talking at the top top of the show uh about a sunday afternoon film and this is it i really really enjoyed this good storytelling with strong characters based on a true story it's the definition of heartwarming we were talking about it earlier weren't we uh but um

00:22:40.47
Chris Olson
Yeah.

00:22:44.28
Brian Penn
What really does it for me, though, is the cast. What a great cast. I mean, apart from Vince Wall, you've got um got Susan Sarandon, Talia Shire from the Godfather and Rocky movies, Brenda Vaccaro, highly respected sporting actress, and Lorraine Bracco, who I didn't recognise.

00:23:05.32
Brian Penn
So... um excuse me. um So... A lovely film to watch. um The um story itself, it's one of those films where you think they're overcoming the odds.

00:23:23.82
Brian Penn
And I noticed that the um the actual person that Vince Vaughn's character was based on um was actually in the film as an extra.

00:23:36.67
Chris Olson
Yeah, he's sort of in the crowd and sort near the end on the...

00:23:37.81
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

00:23:39.03
Chris Olson
yeah

00:23:39.28
Brian Penn
And um you think this is this is based on something real. Someone's struggle, somebody who wanted to honor his mother's memory and had memories of his childhood when his mother and grandmother would would be in the kitchen preparing this special sauce that he could never work out how to prepare.

00:23:59.15
Brian Penn
um Yeah, it's such a nice film. And as I say, so many good actors. As say, Lorraine Brackow, I didn't recognise at all. It was only when she started talking that I recognised her because that,

00:24:11.52
Brian Penn
Lorraine Bracco was in Goodfellas and she was lots of Melfi in The Sopranos. um But they just give it such a kick. you know It keeps the story moving along.

00:24:23.10
Brian Penn
um So yeah, a really, really good film.

00:24:24.67
Chris Olson
Yeah, i I didn't feel that way.

00:24:27.21
Brian Penn
Really.

00:24:27.88
Chris Olson
Well, like the heartwarming aspect to it. I like the Nonas. I thought they were absolutely a great you set of people. will What I found, well, I found a couple of things problematic with the movie. One is i'm Vince Vaughn.

00:24:43.42
Chris Olson
I found him so tepid through the whole film. Yeah.

00:24:46.13
Brian Penn
he Well, yeah.

00:24:46.74
Chris Olson
He never gets into another gear. He just stays as this kind of morose but upbeat, which is a weird combination, character that is on the one hand grieving his mum, on the other hand like being this like super optimistic, kind of almost like a Steve Jobs type character of like, well, I'll just keep doing and I'll keep pumping money and it will happen.

00:24:54.84
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:25:01.79
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:04.96
Chris Olson
um I found him really tepid throughout. I just didn't enjoy him.

00:25:08.75
Brian Penn
fit Well, I have to say, I mean, Vince Vaughn isn't one of my favourite answers, particularly. I think he he's the type of actor that doesn't, doesn't have to work too hard. He knows what parts work for him.

00:25:24.27
Brian Penn
But in this film, I i think in some ways, he's allowed the women in the film to do the job for him. But you kind of went,

00:25:31.76
Chris Olson
Yeah, they come with a lot of, um you know, vibrancy and there's a lot of, like, this sort of bickering between them, which is, like, I think they're sort playing on that.

00:25:36.32
Brian Penn
yeah.

00:25:40.05
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:25:40.20
Chris Olson
And, i you know, I thought there was another character in the and the film called Bruno, played by Joe Manginello, who is his, like, and either his brother or, like, his best friend or someone, obviously, best friend, yeah.

00:25:45.23
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

00:25:48.80
Brian Penn
He's best friend, yeah. Yeah.

00:25:50.53
Chris Olson
um He was funny. He was bringing a bit of chemistry. He was trying. He was, you bringing in a few laughs.

00:25:55.03
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:25:56.17
Chris Olson
i just I just found, yeah, Vince Vaughn was problematic. The other issue that I had with it was it's very low risk and low reward film. Like it's it's not doing very much.

00:26:05.00
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:26:06.77
Chris Olson
Obviously the absolute, when you're doing a film based on a real story, is difficult. You know, they're going to not veer too far off.

00:26:12.04
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:26:13.69
Chris Olson
But I felt that, okay, well, why were we watching this film? Like what was the point of it?

00:26:18.26
Brian Penn
Well...

00:26:18.61
Chris Olson
It was just kind of like,

00:26:19.50
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:26:19.96
Chris Olson
i it's and it's a nice story and you know they they did it and I think that was fine but when I think about like cooking based movies films you they are from something Ratatouille to The 100 Foot Journey things like that I think of films that are like boiling pot kind of things where it's oh it's really stressful and then it's not and then it's all the tensions of humanity really kind of like on the burner yeah that's the whole point this it just didn't ever get to that point ever

00:26:27.66
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:26:30.24
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:26:36.12
Brian Penn
yeah

00:26:39.92
Brian Penn
yeah yeah

00:26:46.10
Brian Penn
yeah ah I do see where you're coming from. I mean, it's very gentle, isn't it?

00:26:50.02
Chris Olson
Yeah. Yeah.

00:26:50.80
Brian Penn
There's no sense of jeopardy there. There's no tension, not really, you know. But, you know, that's something probably reflecting what happened in real life. I mean, you think about how you might spice up that story, right?

00:27:05.19
Brian Penn
And I think were lighted on a good point between Vince Warren's character and his best friend, Bruno, where there's kind of friction there between the two of them because he's taken advantage of his best friend to get the to get the ah restaurant renovated and up and running.

00:27:23.31
Brian Penn
And they could have made more of that. But perhaps, really, it's sort of the easier way out and left it to some great, I was going to say actresses. We shouldn't say that.

00:27:33.88
Brian Penn
She'll be female actors to really get the film over the line. And that's what it does.

00:27:37.94
Chris Olson
I feel like saying female actors is even worse. Like, surely it's...

00:27:41.39
Brian Penn
Yeah, I see it.

00:27:41.58
Chris Olson
They're just... They're either just actors or... I i think we've been through before, but I asked an actress and she said she prefers actress. She doesn't like being called an actor because she says it's sort of...

00:27:49.13
Brian Penn
That's interesting.

00:27:51.56
Chris Olson
It's the whole thing. If they stop using the term actress, they remove all the actress awards, which for a lot of women is where they get a lot of recognition because otherwise they go up against all the male roles as well.

00:28:01.54
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:28:03.99
Brian Penn
yeah

00:28:04.08
Chris Olson
And it's just even harder for them to break through. So yeah, I I've stuck with actress since then, but I always have to explain myself that I say, look, I've asked someone and she said it was okay.

00:28:10.93
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. but No, that's fine that's fair enough. It's interesting, really, that the Oscars, the Academy, the academy still have best actress and best supporting actress and not best female actor, as they would have to do if they were going to distinguish between male and female actors.

00:28:21.31
Chris Olson
Hmm.

00:28:30.57
Brian Penn
But um it's the women that take all the honours in this film for me.

00:28:34.34
Chris Olson
Yeah, no, I agree. And I think that also, to be honest, would have been a better film. if you I get it, it's a true story, you can't do this. But if it had been a group of knowners decided to open a restaurant, and you didn't have Vince Vaughn as the lead, I think this could this would work not just as well, it would work better.

00:28:44.12
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:28:50.37
Chris Olson
It would have... like e yeah you've got Susan Sarandon there she can easily lead this film right you don't need Vince Vaughn um but appreciate yeah they're telling this true story but in terms of what thought I was going to get out of this and what I actually got it was very mild I say gentle is a very good word for it's a gentle film if you want something that's not going to upset people know you've got know you've got the whole family round known as is absolutely fine but none of you are going to come away from that going wow must watch that again

00:28:55.24
Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah

00:29:03.09
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:29:07.81
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah, ah I know. yeah i know I mean, Vince Vaughn is that kind of actor.

00:29:20.45
Brian Penn
you know He doesn't seem to strain too much you know he's not the type of actor that you feel he's going the whole nine yards he's he's picked on a role that's safe but it's it's almost left the um the female characters to carry the film uh but they're so good you know i like the actors that were involved in this film they're just such good actors

00:29:40.92
Chris Olson
Yeah, no. I think you're bowled over with that cast, mate. I think that's what's happened, but that's fine.

00:29:45.49
Brian Penn
yeah right apart from vince hall maybe yeah

00:29:47.24
Chris Olson
ah Apart from him, yeah. That's absolutely fine. Nona's is available on Netflix. If you want to watch it, let us know what you think. um But for me, it's not a good one. We're moving on now to the indie films that we get sent, and we have a fabulous selection in this show, i'm all of which I believe I have clips for.

00:29:57.82
Brian Penn
Fair enough. Fair enough.

00:30:08.20
Chris Olson
So we're going to start with...

00:30:08.40
Brian Penn
Oh, wow.

00:30:10.71
Chris Olson
The indie feature film Ambrosio, the first vampire, and here's a clip.

00:30:15.78
Brian Penn
Oh, wow.

00:32:01.35
Chris Olson
There we go. I just, I thought about cutting off that clip at one point because the music was kind of swelling.

00:32:06.50
Brian Penn
Hmm, yeah.

00:32:07.22
Chris Olson
But I thought, do you know what? It gives you such a tone of the film, that last bit, you where the sort of cackling, the theatrical cackling.

00:32:10.26
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, sonny does, yeah. Yeah.

00:32:15.53
Chris Olson
Directed by Alex Yavo, who also stars in the film and co-writes here, he plays the titular Ambrosio, um who is a mythical character view that you can find out about.

00:32:27.89
Chris Olson
He comes to um live in a new place in America as yeah all vampires have that constant issue of having to move around because they don't age and he has to uproot his life, go live somewhere else and and start sucking necks somewhere else.

00:32:35.37
Brian Penn
Yeah, and I know. but Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

00:32:42.08
Chris Olson
um He does that, takes over a place and ends up um becoming embroiled with a local historian who happens to have a particular fascination with Ambrosia already.

00:32:54.90
Chris Olson
And from there we see sort romance plot play out between two of them but also some baddies are on their way and they're about to make some havoc for Ambrosio ah what do you think of this one bro?

00:33:04.57
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:33:07.77
Brian Penn
Yeah, no, I enjoyed this. You know, I think we just mentioned that, you know, um when you explore the theme of vampires, it's very fertile territory. And there's always ah challenge as to how you present it or you present it in a different way.

00:33:23.75
Brian Penn
But I think he's done very well with this. um Sorry, Chris, I'm going to start coughing here.

00:33:28.47
Chris Olson
No, I'll kick in.

00:33:29.65
Brian Penn
Cough, cough, cough.

00:33:31.24
Chris Olson
um Yeah, it's it's very melodramatic, very um sort of full of theatrical, like you heard there, the cackling, the laughter.

00:33:42.14
Chris Olson
They're playing up to some of these stereotypes of these characters. And I'm not going to name who sort of rocks up in the film because I think they're sort spoiler territory. But it is, it's kind of...

00:33:53.02
Chris Olson
Yeah, it's it's it's playing on that, that essence of trying what's that word? you're You're a theatre critic, Brian, what's the word that I'm looking for?

00:34:00.36
Brian Penn
Yes.

00:34:02.07
Chris Olson
You know, when it becomes like that.

00:34:02.29
Brian Penn
um um suppose melodrama is a good word.

00:34:06.91
Chris Olson
Menodrama, theatrical, you know, I did.

00:34:07.58
Brian Penn
You used that in the review, didn't you?

00:34:09.39
Chris Olson
Yeah, I'm trying to not use the same words, but I'm just going have to use my brilliant wording, aren't I?

00:34:11.89
Brian Penn
No, I think melodrama fits pretty well, doesn't it?

00:34:13.99
Chris Olson
Menodrama.

00:34:17.75
Brian Penn
you know

00:34:17.85
Chris Olson
It's very much in that wake and it's very much um yeah playing on our sort of knowledge of vampires and and what we sort of already know, but also bringing something slightly new to the table.

00:34:30.95
Chris Olson
like I hadn't really heard about this character and I hadn't really known that much about

00:34:33.33
Brian Penn
No, it's new to me as well, yeah.

00:34:35.30
Chris Olson
Some of the other people that rock up, I had heard of, but it's um is an interesting story to bring this to the table. What I said in my review, and I think that holds true, is I think the... romance angles were handled much better than the horror.

00:34:48.73
Chris Olson
The romance between him yeah and the the historian, I thought was actually yeah play Sarah, played Angelina Bazelli.

00:34:49.75
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:34:55.97
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:34:57.56
Chris Olson
I liked that stuff. I thought that was like the sort of, more connecting moments as an audience for you. You're watching them and thinking, okay, yeah this is something here.

00:35:03.17
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:35:05.53
Chris Olson
The sort of more action-y, horror-y bits, they're on a budget here. you It's not going to blow you away.

00:35:11.02
Brian Penn
um

00:35:12.37
Chris Olson
And I think when it comes to vampire films, there are so many movies out there to choose from.

00:35:17.60
Brian Penn
yeah

00:35:18.64
Chris Olson
This isn't going to stand out as one of the best ones from that side of things.

00:35:21.61
Brian Penn
I know, yeah.

00:35:22.80
Chris Olson
But it's definitely a worthwhile trip just for like something different, something fresh, and that relationship angle that did enjoy.

00:35:24.53
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:35:26.81
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:35:30.06
Brian Penn
Well, it's trying to do it in a slightly new way, isn't it? As I said earlier on, it's it's very fertile territory for filmmakers. But there's a challenge there. If you want to make a story about Dracula or vampires, you've got to find a new way of doing it.

00:35:44.62
Brian Penn
But you see, they they probably focus more on the romantic aspects of the characters because that is cheaper to shoot.

00:35:51.91
Chris Olson
Yeah.

00:35:52.02
Brian Penn
than the more explicit scenes, you know, which requires a bit more gloss, doesn't it, really?

00:35:59.15
Chris Olson
and when you say explicit, you mean the violent scenes, not the explicit romance scenes, right?

00:36:03.04
Brian Penn
Well, yeah, that's right.

00:36:03.66
Chris Olson
Yeah, yeah.

00:36:03.66
Brian Penn
you know You know what I mean, don't you?

00:36:05.78
Chris Olson
Just to clarify, it's not that type of film, listeners.

00:36:06.00
Brian Penn
I mean, yeah, of course. But you see, no. But that's like, you know, that element of of the story is cheaper to film, isn't it, when you're just portraying a relationship between two people.

00:36:17.49
Brian Penn
But when you you bring in the kind of the more visual and explicit aspects, the violence, if you like, then that can be more expensive on the budget itself.

00:36:31.17
Chris Olson
Yeah, and I think you're right. Obviously, you've got a lot more crew involved there and you've got a lot more extra sort of things to film. It is is a lot more. And I think with a film like this, it all hinges really on the central performance.

00:36:38.86
Brian Penn
I think.

00:36:46.52
Chris Olson
um And when I... I've said this before, when I see films that have got the same person in the director role the writer's role and the starring role, i immediately get sort of conscious of, okay, what are we in for now?

00:36:59.69
Chris Olson
Because we will people be honest with that person? yeah Will they get the right feedback?

00:37:02.86
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

00:37:04.37
Chris Olson
Will they be willing to listen to it? um But in the in the case of Ambrosia, the first vampire, Alex Garbo did brilliantly in that lead role. I actually thought he was was very strong.

00:37:13.19
Brian Penn
think did pretty well.

00:37:13.57
Chris Olson
he

00:37:13.93
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:37:14.21
Chris Olson
he's Yeah, he's he's absolutely playing up to that role. Like you say, it's sort of coming across in that sort of theatrical manner. But I like the chemistry that he had with Angelina Bozzelli. And I think that the film was...

00:37:28.60
Chris Olson
had that Had that nice time throughout that even when it was getting a little rough around the edges, that it would you'd forgive it. You'd kind of go, okay, yeah, no, but I'm still, yeah, I'm going to watch this today.

00:37:35.35
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:37:37.19
Chris Olson
I'm going make sure that I see all of this out. um And what did love as well, like there was some fantastic costumes, which is always...

00:37:44.92
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:37:46.65
Chris Olson
ah impressive when you've got a low budget, the fact that they've actually gone and put effort into all the costumes, but also the location. So he takes over this house like early on in the film. um they They sort of remove the current owner and that actual house just worked really well.

00:37:59.66
Brian Penn
yeah

00:38:02.85
Chris Olson
It looks great as like ah yeah it would be the lair of a vampire, someone that would want to live there.

00:38:06.58
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:38:08.74
Chris Olson
um I thought I was and those choices for an indie film are really important.

00:38:11.72
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:38:13.71
Chris Olson
it's really important. They don't go, oh, well, we couldn't redo that. So we just filmed it you in the back of someone's coffee shop.

00:38:17.84
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:38:18.67
Chris Olson
You know, it's like, you know, they actually did go to so a lot of effort to make it look and feel decent.

00:38:22.35
Brian Penn
yeah

00:38:23.88
Chris Olson
Yeah. peace

00:38:25.55
Brian Penn
They've made the budget stretch a long way, I reckon.

00:38:27.63
Chris Olson
yeah

00:38:28.46
Brian Penn
you know And it's it's something they've done really well with. And they deserve a lot of credit for that. It's a very good looking film. you know It's very well designed. bearing in mind that, mean, we always come back to the budget that an indie filmmaker has available, and it's always a factor, isn't it?

00:38:44.92
Brian Penn
but But I think it's it's a very nice film, and I think the director shows great promise. He's one to watch.

00:38:52.86
Chris Olson
Fantastic. um Ambrosio, the first vampire. um You can go on to our website and watch the trailer. You pretty much heard the the audio from the trailer just then.

00:39:04.95
Chris Olson
um And you can you can read my review.

00:39:04.98
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:39:08.47
Chris Olson
can also go to our YouTube channel and watch my review, would you believe?

00:39:11.96
Brian Penn
Wow.

00:39:12.32
Chris Olson
um That's something that I've started doing, you know, just to sort of make sure that everyone sees me. um Can't not have people see me.

00:39:17.89
Brian Penn
Yeah, I'm going up. I'm going up.

00:39:20.90
Chris Olson
and why not um but yeah if you are one of the people who's lucky enough to see it um let us know it's available on amazon prime video um and also on walmart online um if you're in america but prime video i think you can essentially rent it or there's a dvd version as well uh the trailer is on youtube and yeah just let us know if you happen to watch it and let us know what you think And yeah, fantastic effort from the filmmakers there.

00:39:48.50
Brian Penn
I

00:39:49.02
Chris Olson
Really good. Moving on now to a documentary um called Shaken and Stirred, the story of flair bartending.

00:39:57.67
Brian Penn
saw what you did there.

00:39:57.86
Chris Olson
And let me serve you up a little clip. Hey.

00:40:42.11
Chris Olson
Well, earlier in the show, we were talking about Tom Cruise and classic film Tom Cruise was in, Cocktail from the 80s.

00:40:46.31
Brian Penn
Mmm. Mmm. Oh yeah. Mmm. oh yeah

00:40:50.37
Chris Olson
um And that leads very nicely into this story of flair bartending. and Written and directed by Deborah Richards, who herself has links to the flair bartending world.

00:41:03.65
Chris Olson
um I believe this is one of her sort first big films that she's done. and First feature-length documentary, yeah. And... and Yeah, as the clip there suggested, and as see if you go and read the review on our website by Patrick Foley, you find out yeah it's not just about yeah the tricks that these guys do.

00:41:18.99
Brian Penn
Hmm. Hmm. Hmm.

00:41:22.99
Chris Olson
It's all about this whole culture, this whole world of bartending ah competing elements. you know the They have different groups, different associations. There's lots and lots of competitions.

00:41:35.77
Chris Olson
It's a fascinating world and obviously yeah anyone making a documentary is going to pick a niche or something they're interested in. And here we do get a real great exploration of a world I had no idea about.

00:41:47.29
Chris Olson
I'll be honest, I've seen Cocktail and I've seen people make yeah do these kind of fancy tricks with the the glasses and things.

00:41:49.75
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:41:52.49
Chris Olson
I've never really given much thought beyond that to it. um What did you think of this, Brian?

00:41:55.10
Brian Penn
No. Yeah, I think as a documentary, and what it works really well. But what I always look for in in a documentary like this is that, am I learning is something new? Is it telling me something I didn't know about?

00:42:07.21
Brian Penn
And like Hugh, I had no idea that flair bartending was this well organized. I never realized that there was i a world championship, I never realized that there was a competitive element to all of it.

00:42:20.73
Brian Penn
And so that that's good. It's teaching me something I didn't know. um But my knowledge of flair bartending is so limited anyway. You know, i I've so i stood in front of guys doing this sort of thing in and a bar, and I've just thought to myself, all I want is drink, you know.

00:42:38.36
Chris Olson
Poor the drink man.

00:42:38.74
Brian Penn
you Yeah, I know. But if if you see what I mean, no one's denying how skillful it is, how clever it is.

00:42:43.11
Chris Olson
Mm-hmm.

00:42:44.20
Brian Penn
But like you, my knowledge or Flair Bartending didn't stretch much beyond Cocktail with Tom Cruise, which is a much better film than people give it credit for, by the way. um But yeah, it's all good. I really enjoyed it. And really, some of the injuries they sustain while they're training for it are just blood curdling, aren't they?

00:43:02.10
Chris Olson
I think that's what's always fascinating when you get a subject like that, where you find out the sort of raw reality of it. like Because on the surface, like you say, you can just take as, oh, yeah, these guys are just flipping things around.

00:43:07.05
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:43:11.85
Chris Olson
But you've got, no no, no, these guys are like injuring themselves. They are competing at like the highest levels.

00:43:14.19
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:43:16.84
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:43:17.41
Chris Olson
They're practicing like for hours and hours and hours a day, spending all their money going to these shows and things.

00:43:20.65
Brian Penn
Yeah. No.

00:43:22.56
Chris Olson
So it was quite gruelling, some of the stuff they have to go through.

00:43:25.34
Brian Penn
yeah

00:43:26.30
Chris Olson
But I also think, like you, and i think the topic is quite niche. And this documentary, if I remember rightly, was like sort of 90 minutes or 100 minutes.

00:43:31.44
Brian Penn
yeah

00:43:36.79
Chris Olson
It was fairly long.

00:43:37.11
Brian Penn
yeah

00:43:38.37
Chris Olson
I don't think it needed to be that long. i think there's a lot of clips where they're sort of pretty much just doing the same thing, the same spinning.

00:43:44.68
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:43:45.01
Chris Olson
Like you say, you're almost kind of like going... make me want a drink or like, you get on with it, like carry on with the film.

00:43:47.98
Brian Penn
yeah

00:43:49.44
Chris Olson
So I do think it's it's slightly overstuffed at times because I think they wanted to showcase all of the things that they probably filmed and the amazing routines and things.

00:43:49.53
Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah

00:43:58.69
Chris Olson
But I think in terms of a mainstream audience, they're going to look at that and go, yeah, okay, but keep it moving, keep it moving, you know.

00:44:01.18
Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah And also, what what I was curious about is that you look at um one routine, then you look at the next one. And they put three or four separate routines together in fairly close succession.

00:44:16.75
Brian Penn
you think, I can't sell one from the other. And then I think, yeah, yeah.

00:44:19.51
Chris Olson
It looked very similar, like the moves, yeah.

00:44:22.18
Brian Penn
And then I think, how do they market? How do they score it? And it would have been interesting to have seen, been given some insight into how they score these moves. Because if they have competitions, if they have world champions, how do they market? It's a bit like,

00:44:37.88
Brian Penn
I know, it's a bit like ice skating, isn't it? You think, all right, very technical, but how do they score it? How how does one flair bartender score more than the next one if they're doing what they're doing looks basically the same and it's just as skillful and as technical?

00:44:53.20
Brian Penn
So it would have been helpful to have had more explanation there from my point of view anyway.

00:44:57.29
Chris Olson
Yeah, I think you're right. There is, is an moment because ah you're being introduced to this world. And yeah, I've seen things like, you about dancing or, yeah, say ice skating. Even what we do, Brian, you're reviewing films.

00:45:07.87
Chris Olson
It's quite sort of down to the interpretation by the person, right?

00:45:10.15
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

00:45:11.59
Chris Olson
Because it's a creative thing. I think there are, there was bits where they did mention about, you they had to do a certain amount of things. They have a certain amount of rules they have to follow and they've got to make a certain amount of drinks.

00:45:18.83
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:45:20.34
Chris Olson
down There's one ah lady who we follow along ah for a lot and she didn't quite make her drink. And I think that was like really sort of, crushing for her. um

00:45:28.99
Brian Penn
yeah

00:45:29.74
Chris Olson
But yeah, no I definitely take your point. I think that's, that's important. um I think from a um content point of view, they they bring up lots of really interesting aspects talking about it being quite a male dominated sport.

00:45:41.07
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:45:41.89
Chris Olson
um And that, you know, it can be toxic and yeah the the female, you know,

00:45:42.11
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:45:47.18
Chris Olson
ah contenders we have to sort of do a lot of different things they have to yeah appeal in a different sort of way i'm and also how this as a sport kind is kind of having ups and downs in terms of it being popular and then it not being popular, yeah funding getting removed and all this sort of stuff.

00:46:01.23
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:46:05.57
Chris Olson
And I think one thing I did really enjoy about this as a documentary, because it could have just been an hour and a half promo about it, you know, come on, you you enjoy this, we love it, you you should enjoy it as well, that it was a bit more like they were giving it more balanced views.

00:46:19.01
Chris Olson
A lot of the people that were talking were ex-flare bartenders, talking about it being not something they wanted to carry on with, something that they had... fallen out of love with and it wasn't worth all the stress and the effort and they were being quite real about you know the the drawbacks of it so I like that i think that's important know in a movie the um the sound of the film there was a soundtrack or know soundscape it was so overbearing that's one thing I would that was actually very distracting like throughout the sound was the music was so loud I was like I can't really hear like much what's going on and I think they were trying to sort of pump

00:46:36.88
Brian Penn
yeah

00:46:48.03
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, I think he

00:46:52.66
Brian Penn
yeah.

00:46:55.58
Chris Olson
energy into the piece almost like their routines you know they're kind of going yeah we're going to get you in a state of of high octane and it was it all it did was just annoy me i was like can you just tone that down a little bit i i don't i don't need that or i certainly don't need it all the time um

00:47:01.84
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:47:05.53
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

00:47:09.51
Brian Penn
yeah Yeah, I think it did need to be dialled down a little bit and I think it's becoming more and more important, the soundtrack to a film, but actually getting it right and getting the balance right between the narrative and soundtrack, because one should i enhance the other.

00:47:27.16
Brian Penn
So yeah, you did feel that at times. that

00:47:30.00
Chris Olson
And it had enough tension anyway. It didn't need to sort of do that because you had this whole, like they're building up towards a competition and it started to like play out. You know we, we love sports movies, me and you, and yeah we, we love that sort of structure and it was playing up to like a big showdown and that was enough.

00:47:39.22
Brian Penn
Yeah. Hmm.

00:47:45.50
Chris Olson
Like he didn't need to sort of really do much more than vamp up. I think, yeah, like I said before, trimming it down to ah a neat 60 minutes and making a bit tidier, definitely.

00:47:52.38
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:47:54.68
Chris Olson
But as a first feature length documentary, it's a fabulous effort.

00:47:58.06
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:47:58.28
Chris Olson
i I was not bored at all. and I was, I loved the way they linked it to the cocktail film and because I think that will, anyone watching a movie will sort of have at least an affinity with Tom Cruise, right?

00:48:00.56
Brian Penn
No.

00:48:06.00
Brian Penn
Yeah. that

00:48:09.91
Chris Olson
So they're going to know who he is.

00:48:10.14
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:48:11.12
Chris Olson
Yeah.

00:48:11.68
Brian Penn
Yeah, I think that's quite important because it it gives yeah it gives some familiarity to so the subject matter, doesn't it?

00:48:12.51
Chris Olson
Yeah.

00:48:19.28
Brian Penn
Because most people would have seen cocktail. Probably not.

00:48:22.60
Chris Olson
It actually did make me want to go and watch it, I must say. Again, again

00:48:26.02
Brian Penn
Yeah, I think it's a really good film. And another great soundtrack as well, by the way.

00:48:27.90
Chris Olson
Yeah.

00:48:30.87
Chris Olson
Another one. um So, yeah, so I think there's flaws, but it's definitely and ah very interesting sort of piece. Patrick Farley really enjoyed it on our website. You can go to UK Film Review and look for Shaken and Stirred, the story of flair bartending.

00:48:46.83
Chris Olson
And you better read his review. And they will also be able to watch the trailer on there, which, funny enough, the thumbnail for the trailer is actually a still from Cocktail, which is which is great marketing.

00:48:56.48
Brian Penn
Naturally. Yeah, naturally.

00:48:57.41
Chris Olson
I love the marketing there.

00:48:58.53
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:48:59.04
Chris Olson
um And...

00:48:59.82
Brian Penn
You've got to take advantage whatever's there, haven't you, really? Yeah.

00:49:02.37
Chris Olson
yeah And I think um ah Patrick reviewed it on our YouTube channel, so you can also watch it there.

00:49:03.32
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:49:08.18
Chris Olson
um The film has plenty of profiles on socials. So on Instagram, it's shakenandstirrdthedock. And on Facebook, shakenandstirrdflaredocumentary. Those are all one words.

00:49:20.87
Chris Olson
And on Twitter, I refuse to call it X. On Twitter, it's shakenthemovie, all one word.

00:49:24.51
Brian Penn
yeah

00:49:26.30
Chris Olson
um Yeah, you can... Check it out and let us know what you think. And yeah again, yeah well done to the um to the filmmakers and thanks for sharing.

00:49:34.65
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:49:35.51
Chris Olson
the a Really interesting film. in fact I feel like I've broadened my knowledge of Flair Barns.

00:49:38.44
Brian Penn
Yeah. Well, I know, that's right.

00:49:39.50
Chris Olson
I'm going to be so looking out for it now as well. Next time at a bar, I'm going to be like, have you seen this this documentary?

00:49:42.18
Brian Penn
You're going to... I know.

00:49:45.13
Chris Olson
Let me just tell you about this.

00:49:46.78
Brian Penn
You're in tune. You're in tune with it. As I say, the important thing about any documentary film, and I like documentary films, but I want to be taught something new I want to learn something new. And I learned a lot about flare bartending. So, you know, it's a big tick for me in that way.

00:50:02.23
Chris Olson
That's how I'm going the tea from now on. When I'm making my wife a cup of tea, going be spinning the cups in the in the kitchen.

00:50:04.72
Brian Penn
Yeah, I know.

00:50:06.97
Chris Olson
She'll be like, what are you doing? Why was all that crashing?

00:50:09.47
Brian Penn
Yeah, it's interesting new dimension, you know. I mean, it brightens up to you tonight, doesn't it?

00:50:13.53
Chris Olson
Exactly. And if she was to get upset with that, I would say to her the name of the next film, which is called Always Smile. you see why i did there, Brian?

00:50:21.24
Brian Penn
Ah, very good.

00:50:21.51
Chris Olson
Do you do like what did there?

00:50:22.50
Brian Penn
i like that.

00:50:22.66
Chris Olson
Yeah. Indie feature film called Always Smile.

00:50:24.40
Brian Penn
That's a good link.

00:50:26.78
Chris Olson
I'm going to play you a clip right this moment.

00:51:14.96
Chris Olson
There we go. So probably a bit of a baffling clip there.

00:51:16.87
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:51:19.02
Chris Olson
i'm But the film itself, Always Smile, written and directed by Jason Park, who also stars in the film alongside Min Kion Kim.

00:51:29.49
Chris Olson
And there are two brothers living. We meet them at the beginning from living out the back of their car. um They are essentially homeless and doing what they can to get by.

00:51:40.68
Chris Olson
They are following the wake of the death of their parents um and now sort struggling to sort of make ends meet. um One brother, Alex, works sort of a dead end job to try and yeah provide whilst his but younger brother, Johnny, is attending college.

00:51:51.70
Brian Penn
Hmm. Hmm.

00:51:57.63
Chris Olson
and trying to sort of become that young adult, trying to sort of date and things like that. um But the pair face a lot of kind of scrutiny as a couple of homeless people, and it's very difficult for them to maintain their lifestyle, not least because they then witness um a very sort of violent event and attempt to um prevent a woman from being kidnapped.

00:52:23.60
Chris Olson
And it's a feature-length film, We had a review by Joe Beck on the website of it. Joe was not that impressed with Always Smile, but he did pick out some of the strengths of the film.

00:52:35.57
Chris Olson
Brian, what did you think of Always smile

00:52:37.74
Brian Penn
Well, there's lots of interesting ideas going on there. You know, they gave a lot of time over to character development and delving into the relationship between the two brothers, um what one is doing for the other, how they're supporting each other.

00:52:52.23
Brian Penn
That's all good. But in some ways, I felt it took too long to get to the meat of the story.

00:52:59.03
Chris Olson
Yep.

00:52:59.23
Brian Penn
And they they only really got there maybe in the last half an hour. And this is where I agree with Joe Beck's review, up to a point, where it it leaves too little time to resolve the storyline.

00:53:11.41
Brian Penn
You know, we know what the what the main point of the story is, but we don't <unk>t see it early enough. Now, you can only spend so much time setting the scene.

00:53:23.31
Brian Penn
which they do very well. But I think the quality, in my opinion, the time that you need to spend on a film it is where it really gets going, where the story kicks off. And that was too close to the end, right?

00:53:36.00
Brian Penn
So when they saw the girl being kidnapped, from then onwards, I felt like it was being rushed slightly. like

00:53:43.86
Chris Olson
Yeah.

00:53:43.99
Brian Penn
But I mean, there are lots of interesting ideas going on there. And I like the two main characters. i like the two brothers. I like that relationship that was growing between them. and how they were just getting by and how one brother was supporting the other in his studies you know that's that's a good a good portrayal of brotherly love the way two people help each other because because they're brothers and i think that's great but just a bit a bit more on the the point of the story the main point of the story uh i think you just needed to get there a bit earlier

00:54:18.37
Chris Olson
Yeah, I think for me it was like almost like two separate films. like You had this whole idea of two brothers living out of their car and how that would impact their lives. I thought, that's enough for a film.

00:54:28.41
Chris Olson
like I honestly thought that was more than enough for you to be getting on with.

00:54:31.00
Brian Penn
Yeah. Hmm.

00:54:31.82
Chris Olson
Make it a bit more dramatic, but still, you know stick with it. Let's see how the tensions between them rise and fall. yeah There was enough there. And then they... we're sort of alluding to this crime element of what's going to happen, and then it sort of happens.

00:54:44.33
Chris Olson
And you say, yeah, it just comes in an absolute whirlwind of events. And it's all rushed, and it's all... The whole film does suffer from amateurishness to it. um there's ah There's a lot of teething issues, even just like the sound, the dubbing, things like that.

00:55:03.12
Chris Olson
the The dialogue, again, not to so take too much from Joe's review, but he talked about the dialogue being very unconvincing about how young people speak and and the sort of lots of cliched lines, especially when there's sort of more... um darker characters are saying things. It is very sort of on the nose at times.

00:55:22.38
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:55:22.55
Chris Olson
And I think it it suffers from that. But I like the fact that it had this heartfelt emotion to it. There was a warmth to the style of the story being told.

00:55:30.73
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:55:31.81
Chris Olson
And it felt different to all the type of films that we're often seeing. yeah These characters weren't being presented as cool, hard, you edgy sort of characters. They were being very... close, very nice, very lovely to each other.

00:55:44.21
Chris Olson
Like you say, it was a very sort of lovely bond between them.

00:55:44.32
Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah

00:55:47.05
Chris Olson
And i was I was on board for that. I actually thought that stuff was was very enjoyable.

00:55:50.10
Brian Penn
yeah Yeah.

00:55:52.41
Chris Olson
And it's a shame that it sort of didn't quite know what to do with its latter end. And maybe there's a different cut of the film that is stronger, but the one that we saw didn't really hit.

00:55:57.76
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:56:01.40
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:56:05.85
Chris Olson
the There's some great footage that of of the film like urban landscape that was really well placed. I thought like some aspects to the filmmaking were impressive. The music choices as well. um I think they were good.

00:56:18.12
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:56:18.31
Chris Olson
And I think it's one of those films, like I'm not sure I would say it's going to appeal to a lot of people, but there will be people that will get something from it and they'll enjoy that.

00:56:26.55
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:56:28.22
Chris Olson
um Not least that sort of brotherly bond and connection.

00:56:31.31
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:56:31.46
Chris Olson
I think that was the core of the film and that there was a lot of mileage to get from there.

00:56:36.52
Brian Penn
Yeah. I think if that had started a bit earlier, you know, if they spent less time setting the scene, they would have had more time for... We talk about a character's motivation, don't we?

00:56:49.52
Brian Penn
Why they're doing what they're doing. When the girl was kidnapped, from that point onwards, I found myself trying to work out why they were doing what they did particularly. And it, it didn't seem to have time to explore their motivation for doing it, doing it.

00:57:05.44
Brian Penn
That's what, what they always talk about is what's the character's motivation? Why is he or she doing that? What, in other words, it's got to make sense. And that was probably the, the end product of spending more time on the setup, on the premise and less time on, on the,

00:57:26.22
Brian Penn
the finale, the climax of the story, if you like. But it has its moments. It's got a lot going for it.

00:57:33.48
Chris Olson
Yeah, I think you're right.

00:57:33.49
Brian Penn
Having said that.

00:57:34.32
Chris Olson
I think trying to maybe bring in that stuff earlier on, they the biggest issue with it is it doesn't have that polished feel to it that audiences are going to be used to with films trying to be kind of that more action, thrillery sort of genre where where where the film ends up.

00:57:52.13
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:57:55.60
Chris Olson
But the earlier parts the film where it is a bit more sort of low key, it's a bit more kind of like, okay, these guys are just yeah humble guys and it's quite cheesy at times, but it it feels sort of, okay, there's definitely something here um about their bond. I feel that stuff, they could have done, yeah okay, well, there's more to be done here and still kept it on a low scale, not spend loads of money, not do all that, but actually,

00:58:20.28
Chris Olson
they wanted to veer into this kind of gangster culture. there' There's lines of dialogue. that Honestly, it was cringeworthy with some of the things they were saying. I just thought I didn't need that.

00:58:27.51
Brian Penn
Yeah, I know, yeah.

00:58:29.74
Chris Olson
And that isn't down to, that's not down to budget. That's not down to, know, you were forced into a corner. It's like, no, no, you wrote those lines down. You chose to have characters say them.

00:58:38.23
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

00:58:39.44
Chris Olson
And that for me did feel like a bit of a failing, um which as i said I feel like it's a shame because i think there's a film there. There's a film there.

00:58:48.35
Brian Penn
Hmm.

00:58:48.47
Chris Olson
amongst these characters within what they'd set up. I just don't think it worked with the plot line that they decided to put in there.

00:58:53.51
Brian Penn
Hmm. Nice.

00:58:56.32
Chris Olson
It was too ambitious and it didn't tonally work.

00:58:56.38
Brian Penn
Nice.

00:59:00.81
Chris Olson
um And so, yeah, a lot of lessons to be learned from that. wish them absolutely well. i don't yeah I didn't come away from the film going, oh God, absolutely. Sometimes you do, right? You come away, ah just I wasted my whole time.

00:59:11.17
Brian Penn
Yeah.

00:59:12.50
Chris Olson
I hated watching that film.

00:59:13.07
Brian Penn
and yeah yeah

00:59:13.51
Chris Olson
I didn't feel that way at all. I can't wait it. you know what actually feel? There's some lovely bits to take away from that film, but the the flaws were too numerous to kind of forgive it, really.

00:59:24.26
Chris Olson
Too numerous to sort of feel that actually, I wouldn't necessarily recommend that film to people..........

00:59:24.44
Brian Penn
and yeah ah it's it's it bit And it became very distracting as well. you know what you What I see there is potentially a good film that needs...

00:59:38.84
Brian Penn
needs to be looked at again, that needs to be. Editing always comes into play, doesn't it? But it's just the balance and the pace of the story and the relationship between different parts of the plot as well that didn't really run as well as they could have done.

00:59:54.10
Brian Penn
But as it it has its moments. that There's something there to work with, definitely.

00:59:59.08
Chris Olson
Well, you are able to watch Always Smile on YouTube. It's been released on YouTube and there is also an Instagram profile for the film, well, for all for the um for the company, which is Hypertude, which is H-Y-P-A-T-U-D-E.

01:00:16.33
Chris Olson
So at Hypertude, probably not saying that wrong, but that's the that's the yeah thing that's written down for me. um the Yeah, as I say, ah said from Jason Park, you can go and read Joe's review.

01:00:27.98
Chris Olson
We have picked out quite a few bits of what he said, because I think we both just feel very akin with that review.

01:00:33.08
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah, I think that's it really, yeah.

01:00:33.33
Chris Olson
It's it's a very strong... strong review. um But yeah, if you not, check out on YouTube and let us know what you think. ah That is always smile. Moving on now to, I didn't have a ah lead into this film's title because it is quite random.

01:00:46.29
Chris Olson
So I was hoping for a nice little segue in, but I didn't get one.

01:00:49.31
Brian Penn
oh

01:00:49.40
Chris Olson
oh Indie feature film called Whisper Breach.

01:00:51.51
Brian Penn
Don't you just hate it when that happens?

01:00:53.23
Chris Olson
Yeah, I mean, Whisper Breach. How are you going to bring that in?

01:00:56.60
Brian Penn
ah know.

01:00:57.30
Chris Olson
It's a very, you know, and we'll get into why it's called that, but it's, um yeah, indie film we're going to review now after this clip.

01:01:50.62
Chris Olson
should have said some swearing in that clip.

01:01:52.97
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:01:53.27
Chris Olson
ah Yeah, hopefully you were okay, everyone, listening to that.

01:01:57.41
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:01:57.94
Chris Olson
A few F-bombs in there. um Yeah, so Whisper Breach starring Mike Markoff. I reviewed this, actually, on the website.

01:02:07.17
Brian Penn
Yeah, you did well.

01:02:07.59
Chris Olson
This is my review, isn't it?

01:02:08.88
Brian Penn
Well, yeah, guess.

01:02:09.64
Chris Olson
Well, thank you.

01:02:09.94
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:02:10.25
Chris Olson
Thanks very much.

01:02:10.90
Brian Penn
Yeah. like so

01:02:12.57
Chris Olson
I mean, you have to say that because if you don't, I'll just mute you. I'll cut your mic off.

01:02:15.41
Brian Penn
well yeah i guess

01:02:16.22
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:02:16.89
Brian Penn
yeah

01:02:17.02
Chris Olson
um he played So Mike Markoff plays Kent Collins, who was an ex-Navy SEAL, and we meet him at the beginning of the film. He's living with his partner Sandy, played by Chelsea Gilson. um But something is amiss.

01:02:29.58
Chris Olson
We see Sandy at the shooting range, firing off a gun with mascara running down her face as she's crying, and...

01:02:34.91
Brian Penn
Hmm. Hmm.

01:02:38.30
Chris Olson
This is site not really a spoiler because it happens very early on, but she dies from a very sort of serious illness and this sends Kent into a spiral of sadness.

01:02:41.27
Brian Penn
Hmm.

01:02:49.87
Chris Olson
um he is that a well He gets approached by his friend and who called Winston, played by Garen Grigsby, who knows him from his Navy SEAL days and has this interesting opportunity to present to him, which is this...

01:03:06.92
Chris Olson
fantastic AI that he's developed and is hoping to sell to the military, but he just needs Kent to test it out for him. And that's who you hear in the clip is the AI ah software and known as WP, which is Winston's initials, I believe.

01:03:24.58
Chris Olson
And it becomes quite quickly clear that this AI can do a lot of things and can invade ah Kent's life quite quickly, but also do other things ah very large scale trouble. And yeah what did you think of Whisper Breach?

01:03:41.53
Brian Penn
I was very impressed by this, Chris.

01:03:43.41
Chris Olson
It's good, I like it.

01:03:43.99
Brian Penn
but Yeah, very well written thriller. And it highlights the potential of AI really well. It's really effective in the way wait it's put across. I found myself comparing it to Mission Impossible because the latest Mission Impossible movie deals with the threat of AI, right?

01:04:00.39
Brian Penn
But I'll tell you this, you know, for certain that this film, Whisper Breach, highlights the risks and the potential and the dangers of AI a lot more effectively and a lot and it's more accessible than the way they do it in Mission Impossible.

01:04:15.33
Brian Penn
You don't get any real insight as to what AI can do. In Mission Impossible, it just tells you that it's evil. And it's destructive. But it doesn't actually explain why. We just assume that it is.

01:04:26.45
Brian Penn
you know Do you see what I'm getting at?

01:04:27.85
Chris Olson
No, 100%.

01:04:28.99
Brian Penn
ah

01:04:29.73
Chris Olson
I'm not being hyperbolic here when I say that you are you saying that this film is better than Mission Impossible.

01:04:34.59
Brian Penn
Well, you see, that's why that's what I was coming to.

01:04:34.93
Chris Olson
You've said it

01:04:37.10
Brian Penn
I'm not saying it it's better, but but it explores a common theme more effectively and does it much better. And you you get to understand in detail what AI can do.

01:04:49.52
Brian Penn
But Again, with a by big budget movie dealing with AI, there's less need to do it, I guess. But a film like this can explore the d detail. And i found it quite gripping and challenging and actually quite creepy in places as well. And Ken, you know, the central character, was flipping out, wasn't he, what this this character was doing. at And this representation of his friend was actually quite sinister and quite scary.

01:05:21.24
Brian Penn
but But again, it was very effective in telling the story of AI and what it's capable of doing. And really liked the way they did that. Very intelligently written.

01:05:32.49
Chris Olson
Yeah, I think it's it's a topical film done in a very accessible way. The action is done well. the The characters are set up well. It's also not overstretching itself too much. You're only really given few characters in this movie.

01:05:47.58
Chris Olson
But they're all very essential to the story.

01:05:50.52
Brian Penn
Hmm.

01:05:50.93
Chris Olson
um I particularly liked... the Kent and Sandy relationship. They have a really reallyde lovely bond.

01:05:56.42
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:05:58.18
Chris Olson
It's a great opening.

01:05:58.83
Brian Penn
Hmm.

01:05:58.98
Chris Olson
You really feel it when she dies. Honestly, it was like, oh, that's heavy.

01:06:02.15
Brian Penn
I know.

01:06:02.77
Chris Olson
ladies

01:06:03.46
Brian Penn
Yeah, know.

01:06:03.74
Chris Olson
And you see that a few times in movies where they set off early on and you give a character death that you're of

01:06:05.68
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:06:08.65
Brian Penn
Well.

01:06:10.27
Chris Olson
what? Like, what are you doing? And the scenes that she's in were very, very good.

01:06:12.16
Brian Penn
What, yeah. Yeah.

01:06:14.26
Chris Olson
I honestly that thought, oh, that's a real shame that she's gone.

01:06:17.21
Brian Penn
yeah

01:06:17.97
Chris Olson
Luckily, I'm a big fan of Mike Markov. I've seen him in a film called When Jack Came Back, and really love that film.

01:06:22.99
Brian Penn
Right.

01:06:23.07
Chris Olson
um but he He holds the film up really well, and a lot of the movie is him talking to WP on a screen or or somewhere else, and that's difficult.

01:06:31.68
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:06:33.94
Chris Olson
That's a challenging yeah performance to have to give.

01:06:36.49
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:06:36.90
Chris Olson
But luckily, yeah the film was written and directed by Craig Cockerell, and there's some fabulous direction going on you're making sure that as an audience we are not switching off snoozing know because it it could have been an absolute tedious movie right okay all right okay yeah here we go yeah so computer screens all this sort stuff but it wasn't you know there was a lot more to it it was very engaging and as you say it it is tapping into something which as a culture right now we're feeling as a thrill

01:06:49.20
Brian Penn
yeah

01:06:51.49
Brian Penn
Yeah,

01:06:57.91
Brian Penn
it was.

01:07:04.15
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:07:05.24
Chris Olson
which is the good and bad of AI. And I think it was done in a really sort of impressive way. It gets quite elaborate.

01:07:11.48
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:07:13.18
Chris Olson
And I am going to say this. It's not a spoiler. What is a spoiler?

01:07:16.83
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:07:17.34
Chris Olson
The final about 10, 15 minutes of film is absolutely off the rails. It goes off the rails. And for me, it lost me. i was like, oh, no you've dropped the ball here.

01:07:25.80
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:07:26.02
Chris Olson
I'm not going to go into it. I think I 100% recommend watch the film, but just know that, well, don't know, but feel that that's coming. Maybe you'll be more forgiving than I was, but that end bit, I was oh, that's a shame.

01:07:37.45
Chris Olson
It's a shame you've done that.

01:07:38.19
Brian Penn
um Yeah. I mean, if if you're not, if you don't feel technically au fait, if you're not strong in IT, yeah, you may struggle with the concept full stop, whatever it you see in a film.

01:07:52.71
Brian Penn
right You know, when a film portrays something like AI and what it's capable of, it's it's going to be easy to lose some people. But I think this film does better than most, I think.

01:08:06.13
Brian Penn
You know, coming back to Mission Impossible again, they slide around AI. They don't try and deal with it at all. But this film deserves a lot of credit because it does. But even then, because it's so highly technical, it will lose people anyway. But it does as I say, it does better than most in that way.

01:08:22.52
Chris Olson
Yeah, and I think there's enough in there for you to be kind of engaged with. It's not trying to sort of confuse you with the algorithms and, and you know, that sorts of It's more just kind of showing the scale of what could happen, you what could be done, what they could access and things like that.

01:08:35.96
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

01:08:38.35
Chris Olson
um Yeah, i would for a film as well, you know, when we get these indie action films, I'm always kind of hesitant to sort of say, well, you know, are you going to be bit capable of pulling this off? yeah Are you being too ambitious?

01:08:50.55
Chris Olson
I think they made the right choices, especially with the number of characters, the number of locations that they're going to shoot in to create something of substance, of worth, something that is actually, yeah, you know what?

01:09:00.35
Brian Penn
yeah

01:09:02.62
Chris Olson
That does stand up. that does yeah It does belong in the same sentence as Mission Impossible.

01:09:04.19
Brian Penn
yeah it goes Yeah.

01:09:07.18
Chris Olson
I'm not saying they're on the exact same scale, but they are absolutely in the same, they're in the same league.

01:09:08.89
Brian Penn
No. Yeah. i

01:09:11.68
Chris Olson
You know, they're playing the same game.

01:09:11.78
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah. i this

01:09:13.56
Chris Olson
um And I think that, we you You reviewed The Amateur as well earlier on in the film. There's definitely all these films in this genre that are going appeal to a massive audience. And I would wholeheartedly recommend Whisper Reach.

01:09:25.45
Chris Olson
I gave it four stars. and People can go and i read my review and yeah check it out.

01:09:27.04
Brian Penn
yeah

01:09:30.07
Brian Penn
yeah

01:09:31.20
Chris Olson
The film is available on Amazon Prime. and The director got touch very recently to us recording this and said it's on Amazon Prime Video and on Vimeo Direct. So you can watch it.

01:09:41.29
Brian Penn
Nice.

01:09:42.57
Chris Olson
And I really recommend that you do because...

01:09:42.61
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

01:09:45.10
Chris Olson
It's not often we get an action film that can hold up ah yeah to a candle or to these other big blockbuster movies.

01:09:48.91
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:09:52.31
Brian Penn
Mm-hmm.

01:09:52.45
Chris Olson
um Yeah, I thought it was absolutely brilliant. and Really enjoyed it. And you can also follow them.

01:09:56.66
Brian Penn
yeah

01:09:58.13
Chris Olson
ah They have an Instagram, the company Triple C Media. And that's there's full stops in between each each of those words. So Triple, full stop, C, full stop, media. Just to spell that out for you.

01:10:08.94
Chris Olson
And yeah, there is a Facebook page as well. And an X page. But yeah, i to be honest, if you're to look at it, just go to Amazon Prime and and watch it. um Whisper Breach, it's called.

01:10:18.03
Brian Penn
I

01:10:20.01
Chris Olson
And if anyone wants to get in touch to see what could I have done as a segue into that, I'd love to hear it.

01:10:26.42
Brian Penn
know.

01:10:27.64
Chris Olson
yeah From the last film you know to this film, what could I have said? Because those two words just didn't come to me in any kind of yeah way whatsoever.

01:10:35.63
Brian Penn
No. No. It's a tough one. It even defeated you, Chris, you know.

01:10:40.30
Chris Olson
and Yeah, and I consider myself to be one of the best, if not the best, especially on this show.

01:10:40.89
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:10:43.18
Brian Penn
Yeah. yeah

01:10:44.70
Chris Olson
Anyway, yeah.

01:10:45.20
Brian Penn
you're You're the Segway master, aren't you, really?

01:10:46.96
Chris Olson
so

01:10:47.08
Brian Penn
I mean, it's something I can never do, really.

01:10:48.60
Chris Olson
Yeah, and I can't even ride a Segway. There we go. um now Brian, are you wearing underpants?

01:10:55.74
Brian Penn
yeah Oh, yes.

01:10:56.57
Chris Olson
Well, you you are not going commando, as we say, in the business.

01:10:56.67
Brian Penn
Absolutely, Gover.

01:11:00.03
Brian Penn
oh oh Oh, that's good.

01:11:00.88
Chris Olson
Do you see what we did there? no I mean, I shoehorned that in, but yeah I'm going with it.

01:11:04.75
Brian Penn
yeah

01:11:05.78
Chris Olson
oh That is our nostalgia pick this month, the absolute classic action movie starring none other than Arnold Schwarzenegger, or Arnie, as we like to call him.

01:11:05.85
Brian Penn
ah

01:11:16.07
Brian Penn
yeah

01:11:16.59
Chris Olson
i I've never sent never seen him, never met him, but if I do meet him, I'll probably call him Mr. Schwarzenegger, actually. What would you call him? If you if you met Arnie in the street, what would you say to his name? Or would you just avoid saying his name?

01:11:27.72
Brian Penn
ah yeah i don't think I'd say his name. I think I just sort of remain very quiet and attentive.

01:11:33.21
Chris Olson
Big fan, big fan, big fan.

01:11:34.62
Brian Penn
Yeah, big fan, Arnie, you know. And I am, actually.

01:11:36.76
Chris Olson
Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:37.83
Brian Penn
I am genuinely big fan of Arnie.

01:11:38.89
Chris Olson
Oh, I am too. And the reason why I picked Commando is because this is one of those movies that is perfect for the nostalgia slot.

01:11:39.92
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

01:11:44.84
Chris Olson
It's a film that I used to watch when I was younger. Haven't really revisited and in quite some time. My brother and I used to watch it and I want to see, does it still hold up?

01:11:51.94
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:11:53.51
Chris Olson
Is it still okay to watch? you know does it yeah or Or is it one of those movies you kind of should have left buried in the past?

01:11:56.39
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:12:00.81
Chris Olson
um Honestly, it was very engaging. It's got so much 80s charm to it.

01:12:07.07
Brian Penn
yeah

01:12:07.28
Chris Olson
it's It's a classic action thriller. If you've not seen it, Arnie is an ex-commando and he's being blackmailed um into killing a president of another country.

01:12:09.45
Brian Penn
yeah

01:12:17.38
Chris Olson
um in order to save his daughter. But Arnie being Arnie, decides he's not going to do that. And he gets off the plane that he's meant to be on, and he has 12 hours to find and destroy the people that have taken his daughter.

01:12:23.37
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:12:30.45
Chris Olson
And um to sum it up, in one ah in a section, the flight attendant that Arnie's on, she says, I can't believe this macho bullshit.

01:12:41.24
Chris Olson
And that is pretty much the tone of the film, is it's a lot of macho bullshit. um But very engaging, fun stuff.

01:12:49.51
Brian Penn
yeah

01:12:50.77
Chris Olson
So you've got to have seen this before, right? And it's kind of been a first watch for you.

01:12:54.19
Brian Penn
Yeah, of course I have.

01:12:55.60
Chris Olson
40 years.

01:12:55.98
Brian Penn
ah Yeah, I mean, look, again, like some of the films that we review in this slot, I can't believe they're quite as old as they are.

01:13:01.84
Chris Olson
That's insane.

01:13:02.55
Brian Penn
It doesn't seem like 40 years.

01:13:04.24
Chris Olson
forty years since sayinge

01:13:04.51
Brian Penn
And I never, yeah, but I never realised came so early in Arnie's career because he'd only just made the Terminator, Red Sonja, Conan the Barbarian, that was about it.

01:13:16.93
Brian Penn
And he made this film. So it was literally his fourth film. This was before Running Man, it was before Red Heat, um, So I never realized how early it was in his career, but I always looked upon it as a pseudo Rambo story. this This was Arnie's equivalent to Rambo, really.

01:13:35.26
Brian Penn
And it still holds up. It's pretty much of its time, but you can't fail to be entertained by it because you know it's predictable, but it something that sat predictable is quite fun. You think, I wonder how long it's going take Arnie to strip down to the waist.

01:13:49.60
Brian Penn
It didn't take long, did it?

01:13:50.76
Chris Olson
In time long.

01:13:50.80
Brian Penn
20 minutes, half an hour maybe? um But you know what you're getting there. really. it's It's good overcoming evil, isn't it? Arnie's the hero. He'll save the day. But it's an absolute hoot.

01:14:01.90
Brian Penn
And it still works. It still works, even now.

01:14:03.75
Chris Olson
Yeah, I think sometimes for these films, there's a worry that they're going to be sort of toxic. You you kind of go back and the characters don't fit in. But actually, his character is quite a sort of generally nice guy. like he he yeah There's a few bits where raised he's kind of like he's just doing what he needs to to get to his daughter. um But he...

01:14:23.13
Chris Olson
He's quite sort of ethical, quite moral. and So he's okay.

01:14:25.15
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:14:26.23
Chris Olson
Like you say, it's largely about he's just there for absolute storming through these scenes. yeah I think we first see him carrying a massive chainsaw and a massive like log on his on his shoulder.

01:14:34.80
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

01:14:37.69
Chris Olson
And that's pretty much what he's there to do is is heavy lifting, right? Yeah.

01:14:40.85
Brian Penn
Mm.

01:14:42.24
Chris Olson
there there's loads of crazy stunts and I always love watching stunts from the 80s because it's like they genuinely did all this stuff they actually all smashed all this stuff you know cars flying around all that sort of stuff um there's quite a lot of gun porn in the film they have guns and know the ego shopping and all this yeah um he loves all that and you you get a lot of that in the movie

01:14:48.76
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:14:55.94
Brian Penn
Yeah. Good phrase. Good phrase. Go on, Paul. Yeah.

01:15:04.39
Chris Olson
But Arnie being on, he can't really handle the emotional scenes, the depth scenes. So I don't think they throw too many of those in. um And I think that's a good thing, ah really.

01:15:12.10
Brian Penn
Well, yeah.

01:15:15.22
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:15:15.86
Chris Olson
It's mostly about his sort of his strength. Yeah.

01:15:19.29
Brian Penn
Yeah. they Well, they tried to get to put a bit of heart into the character at the beginning, didn't they? When they featured scenes with his daughter and he's going he's going off and buying an ice cream with her I don't think they were entirely convincing but I think they were put in to make the character a bit more human I think really and the fact he yeah yeah

01:15:27.97
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:15:36.31
Chris Olson
And I think that they they rob all that later on when they sort of just have him picking up people in phone boxes and throwing them, you know, things like that, where he's just like, he's just an absolute machine.

01:15:42.50
Brian Penn
yeah

01:15:45.41
Chris Olson
And he also does a lot of stuff that it's like, I suppose maybe we're watching this with a modern gaze, but it's like,

01:15:45.95
Brian Penn
yeah yeah

01:15:51.56
Chris Olson
would you have done that? That feels like you're endangering your daughter more. Like he, he does things where like, well, ah okay, before you were being, you forced into the situation, but now you've done so much, you know, killing so much carnage that you're going to prison either way.

01:15:54.92
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:16:02.12
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:16:04.86
Chris Olson
Like surely, you know, there's no way out of this.

01:16:05.29
Brian Penn
Yeah, and I know.

01:16:07.57
Chris Olson
Um, but it's all part of the charm. It's all part of the silliness of it. And it's just a fun film to go.

01:16:12.00
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:16:13.44
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:16:13.82
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:16:14.28
Chris Olson
It's here for the ride. Really?

01:16:16.17
Brian Penn
Yeah. Look, I think, I say, it is pretty much a film of its time. um You know, would a film like that be made now? I think you get films made like that that have more gloss on them.

01:16:29.30
Brian Penn
They're shinier and they're not quite as... What's the word? Brutal? I mean, it doesn't hesitate. say Body count's not an issue for a film like that, is it? But it's almost... The way it's it's presented, it's almost like a comic strip, isn't it, really?

01:16:44.75
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:16:45.01
Brian Penn
um And you feel kind of anaesthetised because you know what's coming. And... and they probably won't make them just look exactly like that anymore. So it becomes more of an historical museum piece, but no one can deny that it's it's enjoyable, that it does what you mean you think it's going to do.

01:17:04.72
Brian Penn
um But it's still valid now. It still works now. um you I mean, you look at the the films that Marvel and DC studios make. I mean, they are taking a character like Matrix and sprucing them up a bit more. They're giving them a fancy costume to wear.

01:17:20.29
Brian Penn
Is it really that different? It's good overcoming evil at the end of the day, isn't it? um If you see what i'm getting at. So,

01:17:27.04
Chris Olson
Yeah, 100%. It's a trope that we're all very, very used to.

01:17:31.03
Brian Penn
yeah.

01:17:31.86
Chris Olson
And the way that it's packaged does have to move with the times as best it can.

01:17:32.30
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:17:36.72
Chris Olson
With Commando, I think it's also tapping into such a as sense of Americanism, or I should say United Statesism, in terms of what it's portraying, how it's doing it, you know that sort of gun-toting hero.

01:17:52.31
Chris Olson
i think that is a sort of staple of cinema. know, we saw it in the westerns, you you saw it in in these films.

01:17:57.17
Brian Penn
Yeah, yeah.

01:17:58.62
Chris Olson
And as you say, I think the superhero films have become that new era of them being able to do that in a way that is going to feel like

01:18:03.49
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:18:06.98
Chris Olson
thrilling and exciting and wow, yeah I wish I could do that.

01:18:09.34
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:18:09.46
Chris Olson
and have People watched Arnie in these films, so I wish I could do that.

01:18:12.73
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:18:12.82
Chris Olson
And I think it's yeah so it definitely is a piece for historical sort watching.

01:18:13.24
Brian Penn
yeah

01:18:18.57
Brian Penn
ah

01:18:19.76
Chris Olson
ah You're not going to watch this film and go, oh wow, I'm blown away. it ah we We reviewed Heat, I think, last month.

01:18:25.79
Brian Penn
yeah

01:18:26.37
Chris Olson
that still absolutely stands up as a modern classic.

01:18:29.07
Brian Penn
Yeah, it does.

01:18:29.71
Chris Olson
You could watch that with fresh eyes and go, you know what, blew me away.

01:18:30.18
Brian Penn
yeah Yeah.

01:18:32.88
Chris Olson
With Commando, don't you're going to watch and be blown away. I think you're going to have good You're going have fun.

01:18:36.52
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:18:38.32
Chris Olson
If you come in with the right kind of vibe and you're going to forget about it like 10 minutes afterwards, you're done.

01:18:44.84
Brian Penn
yeah

01:18:44.96
Chris Olson
With Heat, I still would watch that again tonight if I felt like I wanted to.

01:18:48.98
Brian Penn
it Yeah.

01:18:51.52
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:18:51.97
Brian Penn
But it it's that kind of film though, isn't it, Heat?

01:18:52.55
Chris Olson
yeah

01:18:54.57
Brian Penn
Heat is like Goodfellas and The Godfather. It's that type of film that You could pick it up at any point in that movie and be hooked. You know, if you're, I mean, like we all channel, a channel hop, don't we, right?

01:19:06.23
Brian Penn
And you're buzzing through all the film channels and then you you land on a film, you think, it doesn't matter what point that film's at, how late it is, you're going to stay up and watch it. And Heat is a film like that.

01:19:16.04
Chris Olson
yeah

01:19:17.84
Brian Penn
Whatever point you you pick up that film, if you know the film that well, you're still going watch it. You're still going to sit down and it's going to be half past two before the film finishes, you know? But, But you're still going to be there.

01:19:29.17
Brian Penn
All right, Chris, what what what's your favourite Arnie movie then?

01:19:33.99
Chris Olson
I've played Terminator 2. I love Terminator 2.

01:19:35.80
Brian Penn
Terminator 2?

01:19:36.70
Chris Olson
Yeah, I just absolutely adore that film.

01:19:39.07
Brian Penn
Yeah, it's a great film, no question. I think I would go with True Lies for me.

01:19:44.90
Chris Olson
Oh, good choice.

01:19:45.89
Brian Penn
But you see, True Lies, the character who played in True Lies is a bit like the character who played in Commando, but with a much bigger budget. Right, because and you you had a heavyweight cast to accompany him, you know.

01:20:01.07
Brian Penn
um so True Lies I thought was great.

01:20:03.48
Chris Olson
Oh, there go.

01:20:03.47
Brian Penn
Really enjoyed that. Yeah.

01:20:05.34
Chris Olson
Yeah, I mean, you go back through his movies and there's lots in there to enjoy. i'm but it's also catalogue of films that you kind of go... I wonder what that's like now.

01:20:16.05
Chris Olson
You know, because like with what we did with Commando, but you you could do that with lots of his films, like Last Action Hero, Six Days, stuff like that, that you'd be like, does it still hold up?

01:20:21.20
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:20:25.51
Chris Olson
But I think with Commando, I was quite confident that I would still enjoy it.

01:20:28.59
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:20:29.16
Chris Olson
um And i did, but i I did find it, I was kind of switching off slightly during it.

01:20:29.37
Brian Penn
Now, yeah. ah Yeah.

01:20:34.57
Chris Olson
was going, yeah, I don't need to sort of use my brain here at all.

01:20:38.65
Brian Penn
Yeah, I kind of know what you mean. Because, you know, as a genre, unit you know what to expect, really. um I mean, talking about Arnie films that maybe wouldn't stand the test of time, a film like Twins, the film he made with Danny DeVito,

01:20:52.91
Chris Olson
Oh, yeah.

01:20:54.16
Brian Penn
Now I've not seen that in years, but I suspect that wouldn't have worn quite as well.

01:20:54.28
Chris Olson
Classic.

01:20:58.46
Chris Olson
Yeah, well, actually, yeah, it's one of those films that I would potentially have stuck into this slot because it's that, again, another one I watched as a kid and would be intrigued to see, but now I'm slightly worried about doing that.

01:21:08.07
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:21:11.51
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:21:12.27
Brian Penn
Well, yes, it's the thing.

01:21:12.92
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:21:13.50
Brian Penn
I haven't watched it since it came out. I mean, you know that in this particular slot, I find particularly challenging because We look at films that i've only I haven't seen since they came out often. and

01:21:25.08
Chris Olson
Yeah.

01:21:25.27
Brian Penn
I mean, sometimes I see them a lot. But it's interesting to sort of revisit them maybe first years after the event.

01:21:32.85
Chris Olson
Yeah, and I'll tell what is worth doing. If you don't want to revisit them, is go to IMDb and just flick through the average scores because they give you a really good indication, you because they've been out for long enough.

01:21:39.98
Brian Penn
Yeah, that's a good indicator. sir Yeah.

01:21:44.33
Chris Olson
It's not like being skewed by crazy new data.

01:21:44.71
Brian Penn
ah

01:21:47.49
Chris Olson
But you see certain films and you go, oh, okay, yeah.

01:21:47.59
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:21:49.45
Chris Olson
So like Predator's got like a higher score than Commando, um Total ri Recall, things like that.

01:21:51.95
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:21:55.93
Chris Olson
But yeah, Terminator 2, 8.6. It's one of his best films. And I think that is ah fair. I think it's a fabulous movie.

01:22:03.00
Brian Penn
Yeah. Oh, it is.

01:22:03.60
Chris Olson
um

01:22:04.06
Brian Penn
No question. has made some fantastic films. um He really has. um I mean, I mentioned Red Heat earlier on. One of his earlier films made in 1988-ish.

01:22:15.99
Brian Penn
And that was a film with Jim Belushi. Now, Jim Belushi is an actor like Vince Vaughn. He doesn't try very hard. He leaves it to someone else to do all the acting. But Red Heat, where he played a ah Russian cop in New York, was actually a very, very good film that deserves more of an airing, but you very rarely see it on stream.

01:22:36.99
Chris Olson
Well, i'll tell you one film we won't be revisiting that Arnie was in, and that is Batman and Robin, ah har where he plays Mr.

01:22:41.99
Brian Penn
Oh, of course. It's the freeze.

01:22:44.12
Chris Olson
Freeze. used to see you.

01:22:45.41
Brian Penn
It was made for him, wasn't it?

01:22:45.71
Chris Olson
Yeah, no. we yeah I mean, my segues are bad enough, but those puns, those ice puns,

01:22:48.91
Brian Penn
Absolutely made for him. Yeah.

01:22:53.02
Chris Olson
um Yeah, but if that is your favourite film, fair enough. you know It's each to their own. Everyone has their own perspective and we've shared ours on this episode of UK Film Club. Hopefully you're still with us, ah still awake and still enjoying it.

01:23:07.21
Chris Olson
um If you are listening to this on a public... ah arena, if you're on a commuting vessel, then just shout out UK Film Club and just see if someone shouts it back to you.

01:23:19.10
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:23:20.08
Chris Olson
Just see if they do.

01:23:20.37
Brian Penn
Yeah.

01:23:21.39
Chris Olson
They might not. I'll be honest, the listener numbers, they might not.

01:23:24.24
Brian Penn
You never know. Mm-hmm.

01:23:25.19
Chris Olson
But if they do, you know that train ride going to be so much better or, you know, that bus ride. um But yeah, thank you for for listening. Thank you for being with us. Thank you to all the filmmakers. especially the indie ones who send us their movies um and ask for our honest opinions, which we've given.

01:23:41.83
Chris Olson
If you want signposting to any of those movies, do let us know. i was also going to give a shout out to Time Rewind, which we reviewed on a previous episode. That is also now available on Amazon Prime, as well as Apple TV, Google Play, and a few others.

01:23:54.57
Chris Olson
But yeah, Time Rewind is now available to watch, and we both enjoyed that movie. um You can go back and listen to our review of that in a previous episode.

01:23:59.03
Brian Penn
Yeah. Yeah.

01:24:00.97
Chris Olson
i think it's the the May episode? No, this is the May episode. April episode. April episode. So the one before this that we did. um Time Rewind, yeah, that's out now. But yeah, thank you again to um everyone for listening.

01:24:13.35
Chris Olson
Thank you to Brian, mostly, for doing so much of the heavy lifting. You are the Arnie of this show. You lift us up so we can fly.

01:24:20.11
Brian Penn
Brilliant. Love that. call me arnie motsu um two point zero

01:24:24.09
Chris Olson
Yeah. Yep. I am the Danny DeVito to your Arnie.

01:24:26.51
Brian Penn
brilliant

01:24:30.68
Chris Olson
I'm always scheming.

01:24:31.96
Brian Penn
ah Yeah.

01:24:32.54
Chris Olson
um There we go. ah But yeah, thank you again for listening and we will see you again next time.

01:24:39.02
Brian Penn
Bye for now.